Cost of 993 vs 930 engine+transaxle+accessories
 

Pondering a project and would appreciate guidance on the cost of entire drivetrain ass'y inclusive of all accessories for a 993 vs 930 Turbo. In need of reseal etc okay but I'd need the whole enchilada with all accessories etc. Good places to shop?

Thanks folks.

Los Angeles Porsche Dismantlers

Thanks for the tip - but their 993/930 sections are empty.

With salvage yards you need to call them, they rarely keep their websites updated.

DC Auto is another big yard.

Suppose I'm also asking a strategic question - is one or the other plainly more expensive? My gut tells me the 930 has a lot more rareness and oldness and will exceed the cost of a 993 motor by some margin?

Searching past for sale ads suggest a full 993 drivetrain is in the 18-20k range?

that would be on the cheap side. you can pay that for a decent 993 motor...

You might want to clarify what it is exactly you are looking for, cause it seems to me like you’re asking about a turbo drivetrain vs a normally aspirated drivetrain, which doesn’t make any sense to me. You’re either a turbo guy or you’re not. If you’re trying to gauge the cost of a 993 turbo drivetrain, then there’s a big difference there between the 993 you stated, and the word ‘turbo’ at the end of it. Maybe you’re only considering the NA 993, and I’m just confused as to why you’d comp these against each other. If so, the 930 drivetrain will probably cost you more than a NA 993 drivetrain.

I realize its an oddball request. I'm planning out a potential project and I love both 993NA and 930 drivetrains. Wallet not sized for 993TT.

My own inclination for turbos only had me wondering why the hell anyone would be comparing these two drivetrains. LoL :p

NA stands for Not Applicable to me when it comes to normally aspirated and Porsche. Go for the turbo set up. No question. Do you prefer your drugs without any kick as well? :eek:

Haha didn't mean to start a referendum on manifold pressure. Just the facts, ma'am.

Singer has a standing order for 993 gearboxes from every major dismantled in the country. It’s jacked the price sky high. To get a 993 engine and gearbox you likely need to find a wreck that has them selling together.

930 will be easier to find and cheaper. Maybe as much as $10k cheaper. But then you’ve got the 4 sod gearbox.

If it were me I would like for a 930 engine and a g50 5spd gearbox. That’s the best of both worlds and not super hard to find the parts.

You mean the G50/50? Or are you recommending the NA gearbox with the turbo? The 4 speed is the sweet spot in my opinion.

Just the regular one. G50/00 or G50/01. Better geared for a stockish 930 engine as well.

Interesting I will need to read up on converting the 930 motor to the G50. My now ex-carrera had the G50, it did the job and I liked the hydro clutch.

Would you all say its more common to find motors for sale sans trans or whole drivetrains?

It’s more likely to buy them separately unless you’re buying a donor car or a wrecked car. Which you’d need to do anyways if you’re mating a G50 to a 3.3 turbo. While the transmission is somewhat subjective, the motor really isn’t, get the euro motor if you can find it - 930/66.

So I have a vested interest in this discussion because I make repro engine cases and as such, I am pretty aware of the used prices. Ever since I sold something like 50 of my cases, I am noticing that prices on used stuff is slightly dropping, but I admit that it could be my imagination.

I have seen 993 core engines drop from roughly 20k to the mid teens, which I think is a good deal for a core motor.

930 3.3s have always been cheaper than 993 / 964 motors, and I usually price those at around 10K.

Of course there are exceptions either way.

It also used to be that the only part of a 3.6 engine you could not easily get was the case, and I think I solved that. The next two parts that are REALLY tough to get are the cam towers and chain boxes, and I am now making those too, so at least in my mind, a 993/964 core engine is slipping further and further into the "just an old motor" category whereas it used to be a rare gem that people would fight over.

I’m confused. I just saw a post saying you are about ready to start casting. If you are only pre-selling cases and haven’t delivered any yet how are you thinking your product has effected the market at all?

I've been poking about old ads and don't see many complete 930 3.3L motors below 15k, often a few thousand higher.

Cause 50+ people have put down deposits for cases that would otherwise have been looking for core motors as a starting point for a build.....

And they all already have complete motors and just bad bottom ends? Sorry. I'm not buying it. Maybe the market has changed, but I don't see any strong evidence that you're driving it.

You're not following me. I am suggesting, and I mentioned at first, that I could be wrong.

I have 50 + people who bought the cases. In at least a dozen of these cases, the buyers were strongly considering used core motors to buy as a starting point for their builds. So what I am suggesting is that since they did not buy the core motors in the past few months, that the core motors are languishing a little, and it's driving the price down.

It's just a hypothesis, you don't need to get all upset.

:DSmileWavy

I'm not the upset one. Sorry I questioned your influencer status. :p

LOL, that's a good one.

Influencer is such a buzzword these days.

Well played, Monson. Well played.:D

Hey I understand only liking redheads...... my question is have you ever driven a 2.0l MFI S?

Again, I have no issue with preferences, just curious....

No. I’ve got zero interest in long hood narrow body normally aspirated 911s. Just not my cup of tea. I can’t imagine I’d get much of a thrill out of it though.

A 2l S engine is something special. It’s a baby 906 engine. Don’t knock it until you try it, even if it’s not your preference. I know beer drinkers who still know a good wine when they taste one.

and some who don't...

r-mm, lots of work and $$$$$ to stuff a 993 TT in a earlier turbo chassis. This 993 TT by Imagine auto installed in a 88 930 w/4spd. Lots of changes to get it in and 993 oil system is really a lot of re engineering to get everything to fit into a 88. This one was done by Bavarian Rocket Scientists. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1564796103.JPG
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I have a 3.3L with a G50 LSD. 1 bar spring. Turbo kicks in at 2500 rpm and is very linear on up. Sure 1st gear is short, but 3rd gear merging onto the highway is down right a scary freight train. 5th gear Is the perfect cruising gear.

I still have a problem finding 993 engines and transaxles at a reasonable price. The transaxles jumped from $3k all day long to $13k and the engines from $13k to anywhere from $16-$20k depending on needs. The biggest expense are the cylinder heads. Finding even cores is tough, used in good condition can run $2k+ a head and you need 6. At that point might as well go billet aftermarket.

I am building a turbo engine out of an N/A 993 case it can handle the power no problem. Transaxle has steel gears and shift forks.

Saw this on CL. Realize its a 964 not 993 motor but seems priced about right if truly turnkey. https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pts/d/new-york-city-very-rare-porsche-liter/6931198908.html

^^^ 325HP on a 100% stock engine. LOL I don't think so. It also has the aluminum intakes so probably an early 91 so it will need the head and cylinder update. I regretfully sold a similar engine about 6 years ago all I could get was $3500 at the time with 4 broken head studs needing the same TSB addressed. Boy have times changed.