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robertmark 08-19-2019 05:15 AM

What happened at Sothebys? Type 64
 
Does anybody know what actually happened? I'm not understanding. The auctioneer kept saying between bids, 500 then he would up the highest bid by 10 million. Where was he getting the bids from? I didn't see anyone in audience bidding, and he never said we have this bid on the phone. Why did he keep jumping up by 10 million increments? WTH???

JMS935 08-19-2019 06:01 AM

Strange. You aren’t the first one to say there weren't any bidders.

amg463 08-19-2019 07:36 AM

It was a sham, he went fishing and not even a minnow bit.

specialtyoneinc 08-19-2019 08:03 AM

Best of luck to the seller if he tries to sell that car in the future. The Internet never forgets.

nathanbs 08-19-2019 08:18 AM

He was not saying ten million increments, the person that puts it on the screen blew it. I have it all on video

JMS935 08-19-2019 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by nathanbs (Post 10563390)
He was not saying ten million increments, the person that puts it on the screen blew it. I have it all on video

So you’re saying you are the only one that heard him correctly? It seems that everyone else was hearing what the video tech was hearing and inputting on the monitor.

This auctioneer apparently has vision problems to go along with his speech impediment if there really weren’t any bidders pushing the price higher. WTF was he looking at when increasing the bids? There were at least 7 bids he took, which means there were at least 2 bidders for that, whether they were phantom or not.

amg463 08-19-2019 08:30 AM

There was no bids, not one, he was looking at his fellow employees holding phones and making the bids up as they signaled. It was all a sham. Never trust an auction with a phone bidder.

mobius911 08-19-2019 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JMS935 (Post 10563401)
So you’re saying you are the only one that heard him correctly? It seems that everyone else was hearing what the video tech was hearing and inputting on the monitor.

This auctioneer apparently has vision problems to go along with his speech impediment if there really weren’t any bidders pushing the price higher. WTF was he looking at when increasing the bids? There were at least 7 bids he took, which means there were at least 2 bidders for that, whether they were phantom or not.

The auctioneer is Dutch and has a slight accent. Clearly the person entering the numbers on the screen did not hear him correctly (and the auctioneer can't see the screen). I agree he was saying "...teen" and not "...ty". The bidding (real or not) made no sense otherwise (30, 30.5, 40, 40.5, 50, 50.5, 60 etc. makes no sense, but 13, 13.5, 14, 14.5, 15, etc. does).

I put this error on the person entering the numbers on the display. It's a huge screwup because it sucked all the interest/momentum out of the bidding (if in fact there were any real bidders).

pmax 08-19-2019 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by amg463 (Post 10563411)
It was all a sham.

Well, they did sell a dead fish for millions.

JMS935 08-19-2019 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mobius911 (Post 10563502)
The auctioneer is Dutch and has a slight accent. Clearly the person entering the numbers on the screen did not hear him correctly (and the auctioneer can't see the screen). I agree he was saying "...teen" and not "...ty". The bidding (real or not) made no sense otherwise (30, 30.5, 40, 40.5, 50, 50.5, 60 etc. makes no sense, but 13, 13.5, 14, 14.5, 15, etc. does).

I put this error on the person entering the numbers on the display. It's a huge screwup because it sucked all the interest/momentum out of the bidding (if in fact there were any real bidders).

So you heard 13, 14, 15? Not 30, 40, 50? I’ve watched it a few times now, and I hear 30, 40, 50 every time. The error goes to the auctioneer, not the video tech controlling the bidder’s screen. Their job is simply to input what they hear, and it sure seems like most people were hearing the same as the tech inputting the numbers.

nathanbs 08-19-2019 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JMS935 (Post 10563401)
So you’re saying you are the only one that heard him correctly? It seems that everyone else was hearing what the video tech was hearing and inputting on the monitor.

This auctioneer apparently has vision problems to go along with his speech impediment if there really weren’t any bidders pushing the price higher. WTF was he looking at when increasing the bids? There were at least 7 bids he took, which means there were at least 2 bidders for that, whether they were phantom or not.

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Originally Posted by JMS935 (Post 10563619)
So you heard 13, 14, 15? Not 30, 40, 50? I’ve watched it a few times now, and I hear 30, 40, 50 every time. The error goes to the auctioneer, not the video tech controlling the bidder’s screen. Their job is simply to input what they hear, and it sure seems like most people were hearing the same as the tech inputting the numbers.

Correct I’m saying now that I know I can definitely hear him saying thirteen, fourteen, sixteen, seventeen. I can send you my videos privately

Fubawu 08-19-2019 11:47 AM

I heard both 13 then 14 then 40...it was a mess.

Matt Monson 08-19-2019 01:56 PM

I watched it a couple times. I think he was saying teens.

kevinbodman930 08-19-2019 03:03 PM

Is this car actually the real deal as people are saying?

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robertmark 08-19-2019 03:10 PM

It sounds like teens until he reaches 40, after 40 I hear 50,60,70. It would also appear from audience reactions that it was jumping by 10 million at a time. My question is who/we’re the bidders. Someone at Sotheby’s may need to find new employment, Welcome to Walmart.

JMS935 08-19-2019 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by robertmark (Post 10563889)
It sounds like teens until he reaches 40, after 40 I hear 50,60,70. It would also appear from audience reactions that it was jumping by 10 million at a time. My question is who/we’re the bidders. Someone at Sotheby’s may need to find new employment, Welcome to Walmart.

Just don’t let him be in charge of the PA system at Walmart, he might confuse shoppers just as much as he confused the bidders.

nathanbs 08-19-2019 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kevinbodman930 (Post 10563884)
Is this car actually the real deal as people are saying?

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It’s a real deal type 64 Volkswagen that was owned and driven by Dr Porsche at one point in its life whereupon the letters Porsche were added purportedly by him after the fact

techweenie 08-19-2019 06:25 PM

There are some pictures that appear to be from the 30s where you can see 'Porsche' lettering clumsily stuck to the nose, but they look like an afterthought.

A significant car, no doubt but Sotheby's obvious effort at pimping the car using Harris, Long and Zwart was pretty over the top. It's as if they didn't have all that much confidence in what they were auctioning.

I've re-watched the video, and the first number called out is clearly 13 million. The display operator got it wrong and continued to hear it wrong. It's interesting to watch the video and then listen to just the audio. The numbers on the screen influence how you don't clearly hear the 'teens' being called out.

At the end, it appeared to me as if the $17 million bid wasn't real. Lost a lot of respect for Sothebys.

Matt Monson 08-19-2019 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kevinbodman930 (Post 10563884)
Is this car actually the real deal as people are saying?

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There are purported to be three 64s that were made. Not one of them is in original unrestored condition. This is one of them.

stephenacworth 08-20-2019 05:17 AM

Applied by Ferdinand himself, allegedly...
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Originally Posted by techweenie (Post 10564119)
There are some pictures that appear to be from the 30s where you can see 'Porsche' lettering clumsily stuck to the nose, but they look like an afterthought..



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