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Snovakjoe 12-04-2019 10:05 AM

Cabs in the Air Cooled world look horrible and most Porsche Geeks, know this...
1) in some years like the 964 and 993 too many Cabs were build and the market wanted them at the time, but now NO.
2) as discussed many disadvantages to the Cab, not to repeat
3) as the Porsche owners become more seasoned they do like Cabs.
4) newer cabs look better because the top is hidden, but it’s hard to use the Cab most of the time even in CA or FL.

Snovakjoe 12-04-2019 10:15 AM

Money from a Cayman is very hard to ever get back, but maybe the 2012 Cayman R.
The hot cars now are all manual Coupes, and I see no let up ever on these cars being worth less then Cabs or Targa.
Examples include, GT3 cars, manual Air Cooled in Coupes, 997.2 Manual/Coupes, Turbo that are Manual/Coupes....few others..get the trend...

I see 993 Cabs at good buys, but the poor owners (not being smart) are not up with the market, and wonder why they are not getting sold at most break even points...the fact is manual Coupes are what Porsche cut their teeth on and it’s always going to matter....yes PDK is tuff to beat but after driving them, they leave me cold.

NYNick 12-04-2019 10:28 AM

This is pure hogwash. Porsche has been making convertibles since the very beginning. Perhaps you should look up a 550 Spyder or 356 Speedster, or, almost every (sports car) model Porsche has ever made.

The preference for coupes is really a later trend, meaning the last 20 or 25 years. In my memory, it wasn't until the 'cat was out of the bag' on air cooled cars in general that the coupes became more desirable, because every wannabe boy racer wanted to think his car was 'better', 'faster', 'cornered better'. The whole 'more rigid' baloney, applicable to about 1% of the owners who can actually feel the difference, was their argument. Yeah yeah yeah, uh huh.

In temperate climes, they're fun. In autocross, they're more fun. On racetracks, they're more dangerous than coupes. To each their own.

matt930s 12-04-2019 12:39 PM

Horse****. Feel like you are a trolling **** stirrer.

MattR


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Originally Posted by Snovakjoe (Post 10678138)
Money from a Cayman is very hard to ever get back, but maybe the 2012 Cayman R.
The hot cars now are all manual Coupes, and I see no let up ever on these cars being worth less then Cabs or Targa.
Examples include, GT3 cars, manual Air Cooled in Coupes, 997.2 Manual/Coupes, Turbo that are Manual/Coupes....few others..get the trend...

I see 993 Cabs at good buys, but the poor owners (not being smart) are not up with the market, and wonder why they are not getting sold at most break even points...the fact is manual Coupes are what Porsche cut their teeth on and it’s always going to matter....yes PDK is tuff to beat but after driving them, they leave me cold.


matt930s 12-04-2019 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Snovakjoe (Post 10678126)
Cabs in the Air Cooled world look horrible and most Porsche Geeks, know this...
1) in some years like the 964 and 993 too many Cabs were build and the market wanted them at the time, but now NO.
2) as discussed many disadvantages to the Cab, not to repeat
3) as the Porsche owners become more seasoned they do like Cabs.
4) newer cabs look better because the top is hidden, but it’s hard to use the Cab most of the time even in CA or FL.

Yeah, this is hideous.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1575495891.jpg

matt930s 12-04-2019 12:45 PM

Why do I get the feeling you already have another account here?


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Originally Posted by Snovakjoe (Post 10678126)
Cabs in the Air Cooled world look horrible and most Porsche Geeks, know this...
1) in some years like the 964 and 993 too many Cabs were build and the market wanted them at the time, but now NO.
2) as discussed many disadvantages to the Cab, not to repeat
3) as the Porsche owners become more seasoned they do like Cabs.
4) newer cabs look better because the top is hidden, but it’s hard to use the Cab most of the time even in CA or FL.


Matt Monson 12-04-2019 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NYNick (Post 10678063)
Had two of those C4S'. MetroNY PCA requires hardtops at the track. They're a pain to get on and a pain to store, but I liked having them. They used to be free with the car. Ha! Try that today.

My 2003 was a color I've never seen again on any Porsche. It was an optional color that I ordered without ever seeing it in person. Dark Teal Metallic. (green) Absolutely stunning. It changed in the sunlight as you walked around the car, like a mallards neck. Just gorgeous.

I also upgrade the suspension in that car. It handled like a dream. What a vehicle!

Funny you mention that color. I missed that exact car this last summer. A buddy owned it and he sold it without ever mentioning it was for sale. He's a Porsche mechanic and picked it up for cheap from the original owner. He drove it 3 winters here in Colorado and loved it. Sold it when he moved back to MN because the salt there would have ruined it.

Rawknees'Turbo 12-04-2019 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Snovakjoe (Post 10678126)
Cabs in the Air Cooled world look horrible and most Porsche Geeks, know this...
1) in some years like the 964 and 993 too many Cabs were build and the market wanted them at the time, but now NO.
2) as discussed many disadvantages to the Cab, not to repeat
3) as the Porsche owners become more seasoned they do like Cabs.
4) newer cabs look better because the top is hidden, but it’s hard to use the Cab most of the time even in CA or FL.

Not true - I'm a well seasoned Porsche owner (assuming "seasoned" means old with plenty of Porsche experience) and I do not like Cabs (regardless of build year) any more now than I did as a youth. There are many old fuuckers that have a similar opinion about them.


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Originally Posted by Coastr (Post 10677026)
You’re really out there on display in a cab. It’s not for everyone. Plus traffic is stinky and noisy. The cab is best on open roads away from parking and traffic. Ironically I think a cab suits cooler climates better where you can really enjoy a sunny day without getting roasted alive. I’ve driven a few cabs in my life and they don’t click with me. Though I might do an air cooled cab thing some day. Or maybe just a targa.

I require motoring that is the opposite of being on display - dark window tint, windows up and a/c hammering away most of the year.

I'm sure fellow drivers appreciate that, since then they don't have to be subjected to my bangin' tunes, and besides, I just can't tolerate having hotties pull me out of my car and violate me at every intersection! :eek:

ficke 12-05-2019 04:42 AM

Porsche 356 cabs or worth more than coupes. With 911's it is the other way around, cabs or worth less than coupes, just is the market, which is always changing.
Price of the car new has almost no bearing on the price of used cars, Speedsters were the least expensive car when new, below coupes which were even less than cabs. Today Speedsters are worth the most of all of them, go figure.
Enjoy the fact you have 'beer taste with a Champaign budget' when you like Cab. 911's.

Matt Monson 12-05-2019 06:01 AM

Let us not forget that in the mid 80s and 90’s there were tons of targa chopped up to convert them to cabs because there weren’t enough to go around.

ficke 12-05-2019 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10679073)
Let us not forget that in the mid 80s and 90’s there were tons of targa chopped up to convert them to cabs because there weren’t enough to go around.

Here is my old Targa turned cab, I go tired of the gold chains and having to were nylon shirts unbuttoned down to my navel, not to mention the huge rings made it hard to get stuff out of my really tight pant pockets. so I had to sale it.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1575560436.jpg

Matt Monson 12-05-2019 09:08 AM

Love it.

matt930s 12-05-2019 10:04 AM

Looks like some $ went into that.

ficke 12-05-2019 12:09 PM

Thanks, yes a lot of money went into it, turbo 3.6, 993 brakes in front, G-50, steal slant and flares and it started life as a targa! Cabs were rare and all the rage in the 80's. I bought it done.

exc911ence 12-05-2019 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10679073)
Let us not forget that in the mid 80s and 90’s there were tons of targa chopped up to convert them to cabs because there weren’t enough to go around.

I had a 79 SC targa a couple of years ago that had be Frankencab'd sometime in the 1980s. Fun car but as mentioned before, I didn't like being on display (especially the way I drove the car) and baking in a black frying pan interior on a sunny day got old fast.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1575580920.jpg

I replaced it with a manual 2007 base Cayman. :cool:

sugarwood 12-05-2019 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 49willard (Post 10676135)
I am surprised that 911 coupe values (at least Hagarty) exceed Cabriolet prices for Carrara's. I wanted and have a Cabriolet, but am surprised at the published values. Offhand, I can't recall another vehicle where that is the case. As they say, "if the top goes down the price goes up". I can understand it if so many 911's are being tracked, however I would question if that is a growing or even stable % of the 911's being sold given the increased values in more recent years. For example 356 Cabs are valued higher than coupes.

Muscle car ragtops are worth more, partly due to rarity.
911 owners fancy themselves are race car drivers and complain about cab's body flex.
Meanwhile, it's really a non-issue on the way to cars and coffee

matt930s 12-05-2019 01:11 PM

Damn, finally something profound!


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Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 10679540)
Muscle car ragtops are worth more, partly due to rarity.
911 owners fancy themselves are race car drivers and complain about cab's body flex.
Meanwhile, it's really a non-issue on the way to cars and coffee


Matt Monson 12-05-2019 03:17 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1575591418.jpg

pingpong 12-05-2019 06:17 PM

i love to drive my 1988 cab more than any coupes (cages) i have, P cars with top down for over 50 years. For sure its depending on the climate you live in, brrr. Anyway enjoy your racing cages/coupes, like you'r Max Verstappen. BTW Porsche cab's are priced higher in good climates, in the EU and FL/CA/AZ. Targa's also are getting more respect $ lately. Further rarely we don't drive our Porsche to work or go shopping, mainly for luxury / pleasure/ look /wash /wax/ cover up, garage queen.

Rawknees'Turbo 12-05-2019 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pingpong (Post 10679874)
. . . Further rarely we don't drive our Porsche to work or go shopping, mainly for luxury / pleasure/ look /wash /wax/ cover up, garage queen.

Who is "we" (the majority of owners, or "we" as in the people in your family)?

ASSuming that the majority is what you are talking about, I guess it is probably true that most vintage 911 owners are like that (all talk and no c**k when it comes down to "the visceral driving experience"), but there are plenty of exceptions.


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