A 1993 Singer $$$ VS a factory modded 1993 911`

[voitureltd]

In RM Sotheby's first Abu Dhabi Auction a 1993 Singer reimagined 911 gets $825K vs a Porsche 1993 Carrera RSR 3.8 @ $782K. A modded car getting more respect than a factory modded one?

[High Hope]

Those prices are so wild that it hardly matters, no? my take away is, if you have a high dollar car, get it sold in Abu Dhabi.

[speednme1]

Originally Posted by voitureltd

In RM Sotheby's first Abu Dhabi Auction a 1993 Singer reimagined 911 gets $825K vs a Porsche 1993 Carrera RSR 3.8 @ $782K. A modded car getting more respect than a factory modded one?

Ha! it’s funny I was just on their site and saw that. As much as I like a Singer I would have taken the RSR 3.8 over it. I believe that Singer sat in a Dealer in Dubai for a long time. Maybe the Singer is for the guy who has everything else already.

[voitureltd]

Originally Posted by High Hope

Those prices are so wild that it hardly matters, no? my take away is, if you have a high dollar car, get it sold in Abu Dhabi.

Still is good news and result for me & a good idea. RM Sotheby's has already sent me info about auctioning my Porsche turbo collection, some modded by world class builders in the 80s. Kremer, Andial ( now owned by Porsche NA ), Alan Johnson racing ( San Diego ), Bob Norwood ( holder of 137 world speed records, Guinness book of world records), Steven Casper ( Imagine auto) when I seriously decide to thin the herd, might be a good way to go. At least one might just get to Abu Dhabi.

[nathanbs]

I don’t think either of those prices are better or much better than what has been achieved elsewhere. A singer sold in Monterey for $750-775 plus commissions. RSRs have surpassed that amount at least twice I believe

[Matt Monson]

Got a link to the RSR? Which one was it?

[specialtyoneinc]

Most people who buy either of those cars have way more expensive cars in their collections. A couple $100k here or there is nothing for them.

[Cobalt]

RSR 3.8 all day long. The singer is an over priced kit car that some poor 964 gave its life for.

In years to come the RSR will still have a provenance. They made a lot less RSR's than singers with more to come. The singer will end up like the old gemballas and endless backdates that will be flooding the market.

[rickinlodi]

Oil sheikh’s love fancy looking crap. Singer is fancy. Boom! This purchase wasn’t made by an investor, just some bored millionaire. Too much money floating around.


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[matt930s]

Nah...Gambellas were way over the top...

Originally Posted by Cobalt

RSR 3.8 all day long. The singer is an over priced kit car that some poor 964 gave its life for.

In years to come the RSR will still have a provenance. They made a lot less RSR's than singers with more to come. The singer will end up like the old gemballas and endless backdates that will be flooding the market.

[stealthn]

The RSR is and always will be one of the most collectible Porsche ever. Singers are for the cheque book crowd.

[specialtyoneinc]

Originally Posted by Cobalt

RSR 3.8 all day long. The singer is an over priced kit car that some poor 964 gave its life for.

In years to come the RSR will still have a provenance. They made a lot less RSR's than singers with more to come. The singer will end up like the old gemballas and endless backdates that will be flooding the market.

Highly doubt that. Singer owners for the most part are recession proof and have a little club. They are pretty smart at controlling the market. Singers follow the classic 911 design and are high quality through out.

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc

Highly doubt that. Singer owners for the most part are recession proof and have a little club. They are pretty smart at controlling the market. Singers follow the classic 911 design and are high quality through out.

You don't think someone laying down >$200k back in the 80's and 90's for a Gemballa wasn't in the same club but different times?? The Singer sold for more because someone wanted one and didn't want to wait for delivery. How much over MSRP did it sell for. Cost of a 964 plus options could add up to over $750k when all in. The Gemballa was gaudy but the quality for the day was unsurpassed and technology cutting edge.

This same club will also tire of something and take a huge hit if they loose interest or feel it is no longer trendy. Singer owners usually have multiple cars worth as much or much more. What happens when the demand for new is no longer as high or others tire and start selling off.

Just my opinion and observance but a factory car usually is a better bet over a modified car. Ruf cars are still strong for some versions. They were made in fewer numbers and although command a premium over a stock car rarely exceed their MSRP like a 964 3.8RS already has. I see the singer doing the same eventually since they are all cut from the same cloth with some seriously overpriced and todays version of gaudy options.

[voitureltd]

Originally Posted by Cobalt

You don't think someone laying down >$200k back in the 80's and 90's for a Gemballa wasn't in the same club but different times?? The Gemballa was gaudy but the quality for the day was unsurpassed and technology cutting edge.

This same club will also tire of something and take a huge hit if they loose interest or feel it is no longer trendy. Singer owners usually have multiple cars worth as much or much more

Agree, I got a 83 Gemballa in 1987 for my dealership ( not for me personally ) from the Barrett Jackson auction., It was claimed to be the first and was @ the Paris auto show when new and it was a convertible. Looked much like the later 930 convertible, so not as period gaudy as the later avalanche but triple black with real 18 carrot gold accents, even the wheels. Actually they should have stayed closer to the original 1983 ( except for the gold) as tastes in style have evolved for most. The quality overall was very good. The avalanche was a show stopper in the day. Maybe Singer will lose it's charm also.

[nathanbs]

Styles and trends are an interesting topic. There’s a huge difference between the wild and wet trends of the 80’s and now. I don’t think for one minute styles and trends will discontinue to change but I can bet money that no one will look back on today and say what was Singer thinking? Maybe what was Tesla thinking about their Cyber Truck lol but not for something that’s well rounded and mild mannered looks wise. Thoughts?

[1979-930]

^^^
The outside of the Singer will hold its appeal the same as all 911’s will.
I think the interior on the new car is a what we’re they thinking design. I don’t care for it now.


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[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by 1979-930

^^^
The outside of the Singer will hold its appeal the same as all 911’s will.
I think the interior on the new car is a what we’re they thinking design. I don’t care for it now.


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Yeah I can agree with that

[pmax]

They should lose the duckwing.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by pmax

They should lose the duckwing.

That’s just with it open. With it closed it’s super subtle. Almost too subtle

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Singer doesn't know how to build a proper tail - they all look far worse than either the Carrera, early Turbo, or Tea Tray tails (or even a full sized duck, which is my least favorite 911 tail).

If I bought one of those things with some of my spare pocket change (), the first thing I would do is get rid of the goofy mini-tail and put a real one on there.

But then again, at least it's not tailless, as that would really suck!