Thinking about doing an RS conversion through Werks 11
 

Anyone have any familiarity with Werks 11 out of Temple Texas? Thinking about doing an RS conversion of my SC. Only hesitation is that my car except for a brand new respray is very original with only 83k miles. Would doing a RS conversion devalue the car, especially since I’m leaving the engine, suspension, interior and all mechanicals stock SC?

Never heard of them.

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Have not had a personal vehicle serviced or modified at Werks 11, but have been at their shop several times for visits and tech sessions. Very impressed with their owner and their work. They pull in a lot of clients from surrounding larger cities.

I think you will lose value since the car will still be a stock SC underneath an RS replica body. With only 83k miles its very valuable in it's stock form.

That being said, value is only there if you sell the car. If you want to keep it forever and want to drive an RS replica that's up to you! :)

I have no experience with Werks 11. Good luck

Kinda what I figured. Thanks for the sound advice.

Curious… what’s the rate for an RS conversion?

I agree with blyguy. I suspect he’s built a nice little regional brand for himself and does nice work. However, that’s not enough to make the car worth any more by having him do the “conversion”, whatever that means. Rice has never returned an increasing value to a car, and in this instance likely would decreases its value by destroying the originality. Should have bought that 40 grand TLG engine and gearbox on BAT yesterday if you want a conversion that pays.

I’ve come across a couple of companies that sell the conversion kits starting at around $7k.

I wouldn't do it. Thousands of longhoods were forward dated back in the day, and now people are doing everything they can to bring them back.

What's the motivation? I can't see the car getting that much better for the money.

It’s not an insignificant amount of weight lost off both ends of the car. While I called it rice, it does actually add lightness.

I like a Brazilian butt lift too! It adds lightness, but it costs money and when the girl gets older, it all comes back! I like better what Nick said -- show me the money! :)

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It is all about looks...... nothing to do with performance..... Buyers will reward this and based upon recent sales they will reward handsomely.....

If that's true, then I'm cool with it. I'm a big fan of lightening.
I thought it was maybe just cosmetic. Not a big fan of just that.
Both together? Now we're onto something.

Hmm. Seems to run contrary to what the others are saying, but I do think that if the backdate is done by a reputable shop, it can add to its value. That being said, I think I’d rather just keep it stock. At best, it’s a break even proposition anyways.

How about just back date to a 74?
Then all you have to do is add a duck tail and script along the side.
A buddies 86 911.
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Pretty sharp. Just missing the aluminum trim.

There are a few advantages of a back dated car. Including the galvanized panels and some would argue ‘boxes and engines. If you pull out some weight at the same time, that can only be a bonus!

I struggle most with the rear arch width on backdates, as I really like the narrow body style and handling, and that would mean a lot of messing with the rear quarter panel.

The RS backdate makes the most sense of the existing rear arch. You have to ask yourself if the car is a keeper or not. If it is, then you know you are starting with a good base that you’re not going to be pouring money into, only to find a big issue with the engine, hidden rot etc that you end up pouring more money into just to get back to where you were!

The ‘big boys’ always seem to start with a nice car, rather than the projects I’ve normally started with. I bet it saves them money in the long run, as they often don’t want to do it themselves so save the extra labor hours fixing up a ratty wreck.

If you are really careful, you could always make it reversible. Save the hood, fenders, bumpers, mirrors etc and use one of Getty’s long hood conversion hoods and fill panel. But I bet you never use them and they are tucked away on a shelf until you decide they are just too much in the way!

I’ve had the parts, a mix of fiberglass and steel, in my barn for 8 years. Only thing I’m missing is rear flares and a latch panel.

I know some guys….
 

I know some guys in East Tennessee! SmileWavy
Ya might check them out.
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Knowing that a halfway decent respray is around $15k, what sort of money does a backdate cost when you get someone else to do all of the work?
I don’t mean wide arch, everything new type thing, more a keep the car the same colour and swap over the panels.

$20k body work alone, no interior

Thanks. Was that a colour change?
Door jams, inside the engine and front are pretty time consuming to paint as well for a colour change.

That’s body work and respray the backdated body work in same color. Call Werks 11 in Temple, Texas. They will give you an estimate of all the specifics.

Don Ramsey? That's my cousins name up in Canada. Kansas, are you serious? You have 9 children and have managed to hold onto all your Porsches and other cars? Just incredulous. I admire that and you for it. All kids from the same wife? If so even more admirable. I only had one child, got started late. Are you planning any more? I'm out of time for that, but your story on life is quite intriguing...

Thanks - I might just do that! :)

With the yellow car? That would be so awesome.

Either that or with an 81 sc. :)
Seems a shame to mess your old special order paint Carrera. I guess it would be a nice backdated color though!

The point of the color was that it is a 74-77 Carrera color. It would make for an amazing backdate. It’s reversible if you do the latch up from without moving it.

It is tempting.

Was chasing a 65 912 today, but the owners a bit of an idiot (or very cunning).

I asked for pictures of the floor and they lifted the carpet to show me how un rusted the insulation is. Pretty much every picture missed the point (picture inside the wheel arch shows darkness and the edge of the arch nice and bright). No picture of the underside as requested. Picture of inside the hood shows how nicely painted the fuel tank is and little in the way of images around it.
Too much risk to spend the thick end of $35k on sight unseen.

Backdating does seem like a good route to follow - especially basing it on a known quantity of your own cars.

I appreciate the kind words. Yes, the kids are all from the same wife. You know us crazy Catholics...no divorce and no birth control. Thank goodness we can drink and gamble!🤣
Didn’t mean to mislead, but although I’ve owned all those different cars, it’s only ever been one at a time. I’m just a regular middle class guy who got lucky and bought a 964 cheap back when they were “dogs” . Since then, I’ve just traded up and down for other 911s. And I don’t miss my 964 at all! It’s been my least satisfying 911.