Japanese Classics Are the Hottest Bet in Car Collecting Right Now

[sugarwood]

The Supra, Acura NSX, Subaru Impreza, and even the Toyota MR2 are trending up.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-22/japanese-classic-car-values-expected-to-continue-climbing?

A friend of mine picked up a mint low miles MR2 for like $6k.
He is stoked.

[matt930s]

WTF is wrong with you?

[fabracadabra]

I gotta agree but you left out an easy top spot contender. FD

Search eBay for a clean Datsun s30. It’s surprising the money people want.

[Alan A]

The NSX has been rising for years.

[ficke]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

The Supra, Acura NSX, Subaru Impreza, and even the Toyota MR2 are trending up.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-22/japanese-classic-car-values-expected-to-continue-climbing?

A friend of mine picked up a mint low miles MR2 for like $6k.
He is stoked.

How is this a Porsche market place discussion?

[sugarwood]

Originally Posted by matt930s

WTF is wrong with you?

. We've discussed the recent Supra auction extensively on this forum. The $122k Supra unicorn is turning out to be the flashpoint to usher in the next stage of the Japanese collectors.

[sugarwood]

Originally Posted by ficke

How is this a Porsche market place discussion?

Think a little harder

[NYNick]

Don't feed the troll. Next he'll be poking the bear.

[TargaTony]

Well this is good to hear
I just picked up an ‘87 Supra for almost nothing!
Too bad it has a bad rod knock

[sugarwood]

Very cool. Tell us more! Did you know about the rod knock when you bought it?

[dwelle]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

We've discussed the recent Supra auction extensively on this forum.

we have?...

[TargaTony]

A couple weeks ago I had a plumbing issue at my office. The plumber sees all of my Porsche parts and we start talking cars. He then tells me he has a Supra sitting in a grocery store parking lot with an engine problem. Tells me I can have it for $200!
69,000 miles and clean title. I’m probably just going to sell it as is. I just don’t have the time for a project like this. Just needed to save it from the scraper.

[Matt Monson]

Just Suga pretending he’s not a bigot.

[matt930s]

Damn!

https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/1021723-fs-420-hp-gulf-blue-backdate-hot-rod.html

[matt930s]

FS: 420 HP Gulf Blue backdate hot rod
1981 Porsche 911 Backdated Turbo Hot Rod

VIN #WP0AA0913BS120587

This is a 1981 Porsche 911 SC that has been backdated with factory steel body panels to look like a 1973 911 RS. I have owned the car since 2013 and have performed a full mechanical and cosmetic upgrade and refresh in that time. A rust and accident free ’81 SC coupe with fully galvanized chassis in black with 105,000 miles was the basis of this conversion which was begun by the previous owner around 2012. A thorough glass out color change to Gulf Blue was performed and the front end backdate was done at that time using fiberglass parts for the conversion. Within a week of my taking delivery of the car in 2013 I was in an accident that damaged the fiberglass pieces on the front end (photos of accident damage included). There was no chassis or suspension damage at all. I had the car repaired by Eurotech Bodywerkes in Kirkland, Washington using all factory steel parts, including the correct early latch panel, factory hood, and factory early S front bumper. The rear bumper and duck tail are now the only fiberglass body panels on the car. The drivetrain has been upgraded with a 1978 930 3.3 liter turbo motor running through an early short bell housing 930 transmission (4 speed) with limited slip differential. The motor has less than 4,000 miles since a rebuild by European Autowerke in Fall City, Washington and makes a dyno proven 359 wheel hp (420 crank HP assuming 15% driveline loss) and 324 lb/ft of torque (380 crank lb/ft). Suspension and brakes have been significantly upgraded to match. The car weighs 2,360 lbs, which makes for a power to weight ratio of 5.61 Lbs per HP (better than a Hellcat and just shy of a new Z06 Corvette).

• Rust free chassis with approximately 115,000 current miles
• Professionally backdated by Eurotech Bodywerkes in Kirkland, Washington at a cost of over $17,000 using factory steel hood, latch panel, fenders, and early S bumper and painted Gulf Blue
• This 1978 3.3 turbo motor (type 930/61, serial number 6880280) was rebuilt in 2016 by Bernd Buschen of European Autowerke in Fall City, Washington, and has new JE pistons making 8.0:1 compression, Web 964 profile cams, K27-7200 turbo, GHL headers with heat, Rarelyl8 Hooligan muffler, Turbokraft custom large core intercooler to fit under a ducktail, 964 recirculation valve, Leask WUR, Leask RPM switch, Euro fuel head, MSD fully programmable ignition system with custom advance curve and boost retard, Tial Wastegate with a 0.2 bar spring, and a Turbosmart Eboost electronic boost controller allowing switching between 336 hp (0.2 bar), 380 hp (0.5 bar), and 420 hp (0.7 bar) at the touch of a button. During the recent rebuild the heads were completely rebuilt with new valves and guides and were twin glugged, but the motor is still running single plug ignition. With a change to a larger turbo, electronic fuel injection, and using twin plugs, this motor could easily make over 500 hp without any additional modifications.

This motor is very streetable and reliable. Unlike stock 930 motors that make no power off boost and then hit hard when boost comes on, the higher compression, 964 cams, revised advance curve, less restrictive intercooler, free flowing exhaust, and faster spooling turbo combine to give this motor very good off boost performance that transitions to power on boost in a quick and predictable manner. Additionally the 964 style recirculation valve is much more efficient that the stock 930 manifold in maintaining boost in on/off throttle situations. This all adds up to a powerful and responsive motor that is a joy to drive whether on boost or not.

In low boost (0.2 bar) tune it makes 286 whp (336 crank hp) and 250 wlb/ft (294 crank lb/ft). In this tune peak torque is at 5,500 rpm and it feels like a large and powerful naturally aspirated motor. This makes for a very approachable and predictable power curve that is great for the uninitialed or limited traction situations (rain). Still, at this boost level the motor is making over 50 hp more than a stock 3.6 varioram motor from a 993.

At high boost (0.7 bar) the motor makes 359 whp (420 crank hp) and 324 wlb/ft (381 crank lb/ft). Notice on the dyno sheet that at this setting you are at almost peak torque at 3,600 rpm and hp climbs and holds all the way to the 7,000 rpm redline. This is a lot of power in such a light car, but it can put it down effectively with the torque biasing differential and 245 tires. If you put your foot down, you better be sure you have room in front of you and know where you are going, because you’ll get there sooner than you think.

• The transmission is a 1976 short bellhousing 930 transmission with Quaif torque biasing limited slip diff and Rennshift housing with tall shift lever, new shift bushings, and 917 style wood shift knob. The transmission was rebuilt by Mike Garriga of Stoddard in 2011 and opened and examined again in 2016 by European Autowerke with no issues found.
• Engine oil is cooled by the stock motor mounted cooler and a Carrera style cooler in the front passenger fender with a high flow (700 CFM) electric fan. These coolers keep the temperatures in a reasonable range for street use (180-190 degrees in high ambient temp transitions from freeway to stop and go traffic), but if someone wanted to track the car regularly the car would possibly need a second front cooler depending on ambient temps and skill of the driver.
• The car runs duel Bosch 044 fuel pumps, one at the fuel tank in front and one before the motor, mounted just behind the driver side back seat.
• Front brakes are 993 brake calipers over early style two-piece 930 turbo rotors with aluminum center hats from Rebel Racing and rear brakes are aftermarket Brembos that are the same dimensions/specs as 993 rear calipers over 930 rear rotors. The master cylinder is a new, boosted 23mm unit. New stainless steel flex lines were installed at all four corners. These brakes are very strong, especially for such a light car, and more than capable of handling all the power this car puts out and then some.
• Suspension consists of Elephant racing Poly-bronze bushings, Elephant Racing sport hardness rubber trailing arm bushings, 21/27 torsion bars, Bilstein HD inserts in Boge struts on the front and Bilstein Sports on the rear, turbo tie rods, new ball joints, and factory 20mm sway bars front and rear. The car is tight and handles beautifully without being harsh or uncomfortable on the street.
• The car runs on 16x8 Fuch wheels from a 944 turbo in front and 16x9 inch Fuch wheels in back with 205/55/16 and 245/45/16 RE11 Tires with over 95% tread left on them.
• A 935 style boost gauge is in place of clock
• The oil temp gauge was upgraded with a new old style gauge that is numerically graduated and calibrated unit.
• Seats are GTS Classics ST style fiberglass backed units with houndstooth inserts
• RS style carpet kit with deleted rear seats
• RS style door panels with reproduction metal pulls instead of plastic.
• Radio delete plate with IROC style shift sticker (can easily be removed)
• Brand new Dansk reproduction 100 liter (26.4 gallon) rally fuel tank with correct long fuel level sender.
• LED projector headlights provide hugely upgraded visibility at night. No modifications required to fit these and thus easily replaceable with H4’s or other stock lights if so desired.
• New heater control valves
• New sunroof seals
• New rear window seal
• Vacuum accumulator tank and fuel evaporation charcoal filter are hidden in the smugglers box.
• Vinyl dash cover over the stock SC dash.
• Freshly restored sun visors.
• 964 RS hood prop rod.

$85,000 OBO

Walk around and driving video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeQv4vK-0zg

Cold Start Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXfGWSpMulI

Acceleration video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYRY3kXQyZo

[manbridge 74]

Hells to the yells...




93 Celica Alltrac one of 81.
My new DD after a deer took out my beater truck. 89K miles. Still has a few flecks of white shoe polish around the wipers from my wedding in 2003. Recently got it out of storage. Thing weighs over 1000 lbs more than my 911 but it’s a tank in the winter.

There is a Porsche connection but it’ll have to wait. Gotta hot date.

[Matt Monson]

If I'm answering the thread honestly, I've got mine. And I've been shopping for a Skyline for a while now.

[pmax]

Hey Raw,

Any hot Japanese classics in your collection right now ?

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by pmax

Hey Raw,

Any hot Japanese classics in your collection right now ?

Ha ha - nope. Those kinds of cars have never gotten my attention (some of the wimminz do, though - like the Japanese metal chics I've posted vids of in the Queen's thread. ).

[Matt Monson]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iuJDhFRDx9M