1973.5 911T, CIS...what can I expect to pay?

ActionDad · 02-16-2007, 01:56 PM

Is the CIS a desirable change to this model year? What is the price range from rusted-hulk to showroom queen? What are the important elements that would have a big effect on price?

I'm a longhood neophyte. Thanks for your expertise and patience.

Matt

Macroni · Macroni's Garage

The current marketplace for these cars varies wildly. Highly optioned 73.5Ts in true concours condition currently are bringing close to 30k+. Rust bucket w/ engine 3 to 6k. If you are trully interested in buying one start w/ the PCA website, early 911S or Pano magazine. These are the sites that the most reputable cars appear IMO.

blau911 · 02-20-2007, 02:49 AM

Luke,
In all due respect, you clearly don't follow the early long hood market closely. If you did, you would know that a concourse condition 73.5 T will bring north of US$60k. In fact, there is one for sale right now with 26K original miles and the guy is asking $80k. Most people who follow the early 911 market would agree that this car will fetch at least high $50's.
A rust bucket with an engine will go for $3-6 - only if the car is a total piece of junk. That would be the break-up value of the car, assuming it had no Fuchs wheels, no alloy S front brakes, no decent dash, and nothing else redeemable except the engine case and the tranny.
The early cars have been jumping in value the ast 1 1/2.
And the 73 models, which are considered the best of the early cars by many, includes the the 73.5T in particular which is hailed as one of the best all round touring models Porsche ever produced. It is the best of boith worlds: It has the look and feel of the early 911's, but the reliability and efficiency of the later models due to the CIS fuel injection sytsem.
A car with no rust that needs serious mechanical work (i.e. a car that has been sitting for 10-20 years) will go for north of $17k. A 73.5 911T with zero rust which had been sitting for almost 20 years just went on EBay last week for north of $18k.
If yiou show me a concourse 73.5 911T for $30k, I will buy it and give you a $1k finders fee...

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Originally posted by Luke Marano Jr
The current marketplace for these cars varies wildly. Highly optioned 73.5Ts in true concours condition currently are bringing close to 30k+. Rust bucket w/ engine 3 to 6k. If you are trully interested in buying one start w/ the PCA website, early 911S or Pano magazine. These are the sites that the most reputable cars appear IMO.

Macroni · Macroni's Garage

You are right. Not only did I overstate concourse condition I missed spelled it too. What I should have said is a well kept car with a high level of originality. Concourse is an overstated and often misused word.

I would like to know what Bill Noon paid for the very low mileage 69S he recently purchased. I believe it was rumored to be in the $75k area. Then there was the cobbled together 1966 sold at BJ for $66k+ fee. In reality, I do not think either car represents the market any more than a "barn find". They are both examples IMO that fall outside of the statistical curve of the marketplace. One represents an insider transaction and the other...well I can't exactly put my finger on the pulse of BJ.
The knowledgeable opinion of the 26k mile T is that it is overpriced for the market. This does not mean someone with the means will not purchase it. To them the price might be inconsequential. I do wonder how many Ts traded above the 30k mark this year. If you use EBay as a barometer not many. The very nice cars appear to peter out in the high 20s. A very nice car from the NW P-community sold two week for $24k. There is an excellent summary thread on the Early 911S board.

As far as bottom end cars they pass through this board or Ebay periodically. Many are priced very inexpensively. Again, you are right many times they are worth more as parts.

Lastly, what does with all due respect really mean?

blau911 · 02-20-2007, 05:57 AM

Hi Luke,
"With all due respect" is a nice way of disagreeing with someone without saying they are full of %$#&....
No question that there are deals to find in early 911 land, but they are getting fewer and farer between. There is a an all original (albeit it well worn) 73.5T in sepia that has been for sale on the SReg for 3-4 months. He can't seem to get rid of it for $20k.
On the other hand, there are numerous 73T's in Europe in various levels of condition with starting prices in the Euro$25k range.

Macroni · Macroni's Garage

I have always wondered why I have been treated w/ " all due respect".

Reality is I have made a ton of mistakes when it comes to purchasing cars. The last being a 2004 745i which I cashed purchased vs. leased. What a way to flush cash.

This has been the year of the long hood for me. I wanted a car that would fly under the wife's financial radar. I finally decided on a hot-rodded 73T w/ a 3.2 that was loving built by a Pelican. The process provided me w/ a rudimentary education of the early market. I have found it very interesting; it is a passion. I have "met" tons of great people while witnessing the restoration of classics and the building of modern day hot rods and race cars.

Till next time.....

blau911 · 02-20-2007, 09:10 AM

Luke,
Are you refering to Shuie's sepia car with the 3.2?
It seems to be all there, but I would immediately do a repaint to really make it look as good as it must drive.

Macroni · Macroni's Garage

No. I purchased Speedo's RS Clone. There is a thread on it ...search speedo Early November. I would attach it but I am still a bit of a neophyte to this technology. I finally got the hang of the spell check.

Is this a thread hijacking? If so sorry!

Sunroof · 02-21-2007, 11:47 AM

I have owned my 1973.5T for eight years now and bought it with over 34k in receipts for restoration. The engine was totally rebuilt with all upgrades (oil fed tensioners, pop-off valve), the G15 was rebuilt, floor boards replaced, bare metal Sepia Brown paint as original, new dash, upholstery, etc, etc, down to the hand painted center caps on the fuch wheels. Since I bought it, the AC system (factory install) has been replaced and updated, gas tank restored, new airbox, all new CIS components, new fuel lines, window seals, koni shocks all around, and awhole lot more............................the only change? a Momo wheel.

The car has 124K and the rebuilt has 38K on it. So whats a car like this worth? Thats a great question, but considering all it needs to get it 100% is a new headliner (warn, but not torn up) and new suspension bushings, I would say its a 20K-25K car.

They made plenty of "T's", but how many are around that are not rust buckets, need engine work, beat interiors and require tender loving care? As for the Sepia Brown? Many dislike the color, but in reality it was Dr. Porsche's favorite (he had his 928 painted Sepia) and for an enthusiast, it was a conservative color for the year when compared to the oranges, yellow, lime green and electric blue variety popular in the early 70's. I love the Sepia strictly because its unique for the year.

Indeed the 73.5T CIS, and 2.4 engine makes it very desireable. It is the last of the longhoods, but you have to shop wisely for these older cars or they will be a money pit. I was lucky because I bought one almost 100% restored and saved a bundle. To me thats the way to buy any older car unless you have a big bag of cash, a ton of tools and alot of knowledge to do it all yourself. Afterall it is a Porsche.

Bob
73.5T

pu911 · 02-22-2007, 04:40 PM

I sold a very nice 73 1/2 T a while back for 15K, fresh motor ran and drove great, no rust, good interior, needed dash, front struts. Car has been resold, I am not sure for how much. Car was for sale for a while so I not sure you can't cash in a good deal if you keep your eyes peeled.
Phil