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Should I buy it? Slant nose conversion
Ok, I'm a complete newbie. Other than lurking and sponging I have almost no Porsche knowledge. I've been a vette guy but just got kind of tired of them and sold off my last one a month ago. So I found this car and it lives less than 20 miles from me. I have always loved the slant nose and this one makes me weak at the knees, but I just don't know how to access its value. It is a conversion that started with a 77 911, the motor (3.3 Turbo), Trans (turbo 4 spd), suspension and brakes came from an 88 turbo, the interior and top are full power and out of a 94. All Body conversion parts are factory steel. The conversion was done in 97 by a Beverly Hills Doctor who spared no expense and reportedly dropped 60+K into the project. The mileage of the original 911 is unknown, the mechanicals had 40K upon install and only 45K now. The car was completely stripped to bare metal and repainted in 2004 at a cost of 10K then the Dr. sold it to the guy who owns it now, he is selling it along with a Ferrari 308 to pay for his daughter's wedding - he states he has only driven the car about a dozen times in the past 3 years as it is one of 5 "toys" - unfortunately there is no documentation of the conversion project, apparently all records were lost during a move. He wants 24K for it - it looks incredible and runs great but how do I know if it is worth it? I would appreciate any advice from those of you more knowledgeable than I. Thanks.
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That's a nice looking conversion:)
Price seems fair as long as long as all the mechanicals are up to snuff and the convertible conversion was done properly. Be sure to have an individual shop perform thorough PPI Good luck |
If it makes you weak in the knees, that's worth a lot.
But underneath it all, you'd have a '77 Targa. The Turbo drivetrain should be matched with improved suspension and brakes. The fact that there are 'late offset' wheels on the car usually means up to 3.5" spacers in the rear, and 2-2.5" in front. That's sacrificing engineering integrity for cosmetics, if true. Personally, I wouldn't pay more than $18K for it unless the car gets a rave review by a knowledgeable Porsche mechanic. |
That is a nice looking conversion. Very hard to put a value on something like that. On the one hand, it is a 1977 Targa, true mileage unknown, with no service records. On the other hand, that looks like a very thorough conversion, including the interior, engine and trans, etc. The body lines, lines between the bumpers, headlights, etc. look very good, which is a good sign and not usually the case with many conversions.
But with no records at all, you have a real unknown. It could truly be a first class conversion, with a tight, low mileage, excellent condition turbo drivetrain. Or it could be a wreck underneath, with a 200,000 mile, worn out engine. No way to know without a PPI. IMO, if everything is as represented and the car gets a clean PPI by a very good mechanic, $24K is a fair asking price. I'd try to get it for $20-$22K, but if the car truly checks out, and you love the way it looks and drives, you are ok anywhere in the low 20s. If you could get it for $18K, that would be a steal IMO if the car checks out. It's a shame the records have been lost, though. |
P.S. Looking at the pics, it's hard to tell, but it looks like it has Turbo brakes and rotors. Can kind of see them peeking through the front wheel in one of the pic, but it's not clear. If it has turbo brakes, rotors and suspension, that adds some real value, and also would suggest this really was a high budget conversion.
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I was told the suspension and brakes are from the 88 Turbo donor car with only 40K on them. I'm going to try and track down the shop that did the conversion, but I've got to track dow the doctor that had it done and get him to call me back first. |
If that's the case, the Turbo donor car really only had 40K miles on it, you like the looks of this car, and it checks out at a PPI well, then I think you are doing well at $24K.
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The later cars used a suspension with a wider track. In other words, the hubs "stick out" further. So the wheels have a flat face, not a deep dish like a Fuchs.
The wheels on that car are the "late" offset, so they need those big spacers to push them out. If you ran Fuchs on it, you wouldn't need those spacers. But they would, to many people, look a little out of place, since that car has been updated to an early 90s style, and Fuchs were not used after 1989. It is unrelated to the issue of whether the car has had the Turbo suspension and brakes moved over to it. |
I would only add to 'the's' comments that when he says "later," he is referring to 1990-on for the most part. '88 suspension is still "early."
You can see inside the rear wheel in your photo that the car has very large spacers on it. The rotor is normally much closer to the wheel spokes. This isn't a critical issue, but it's not considered a high quality solution. It may result in the wheel bearings wearing out sooner, and can present some minor challenges in wheel balancing. |
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I would be very careful about rushing into a car like this. While I'm certainly not a snobby Porsche "tech-weenie" zealot for originality (some may think otherwise at the end of this compendious post), this car has been butchered twice. Firstly, 1983 was the beginning year of production cabs, so any earlier 911 has been "converted" - I would say butchered. Second, many people (I'm a zealot on this one) consider the 911 one of the most beautiful cars ever conceived. Why anyone would slice off the headlights to make a "slant-nose" is beyond me.
Below is a 1977 930 I recently purchased. The car is mechanically sound. I paid $16.3K; I am planning to convert the car to a sort of RSR-ish clone, which is the red car. To a "purist", the red car has also been butchered, but perhaps like the '77 cab conversion does for you, the red car makes my heart race. I did not want to buy an unmolested 930 and butcher it to make the RSR-esque clone, so I gambled and bought a molested car at a price I considered a discount to the market. I wish I had paid $10-15K more and bought an unmolested 930. I am too ashamed to drive my new-to-me 930 in public. When I got MT plates last month, I was going to get the novelty plate "COKE DEALER", so at least people would laugh out loud when I drove around. In Montana there is a new program whereby you can purchase permanent tags, and on this car they were only 2x the yearly fee ($60 vs. $120 - pretty amazing to me). Being of (mostly) Scottish ancestry, and hence extremely thrifty, I calculated that I can save $6000.00 over the next 100 years by doing this, but I could not have the word COKE DEALER on the lifetime plates. Now I am simply resigned to converting the car back to 911 headlights before I venture out in public. Before you jump into a car like this, please drive as many other Porsche products as you can. I had a '69T which I NEVER should have sold. It was a tremendous car. I had a '76 911S which was not bad and is now a race car (and sort-of-for-sale) project. I have a '96 C4S which I use everyday, year-round - 3 sets of wheels - there are only 3 seasons here - early summer, late summer, and winter. I look for excuses to drive the thing, even when the snow is 2 feet deep in the road. The car is utterly incredible. I have nearly driven the wheels off , mashing the throttle like a crazed race car driver, constantly redlining and drifting through turns as if it were a rice rocket with the 18 inch fake exaust pipe stuck on the back. Thankfully there are very few people in Montana and the police are unusually civil, plus the roads are smooth as glass. Mostly they just wave and smile. For some years in the 90's there was no speed limit, which was really awesome. In spite of my constant abuse, I cannot seem to make the car break. It is really unbelievable. I have had nearly every other type of vehicle and NOTHING compares. I am somewhat reticent to post this message because it may seem insulting to owners of "molested" (deliberately or otherwise) cars. I am interested to see what the predictably wide range of other other Porschephiles think about your '77 prospect. You are certainly welcome to call or email me if you want the long version of what I think about any 911. I am very long winded and my advice is free, largely because I have what in Neoclassical Economic Theory is called very low opportunity cost. I do not have anything to do except drive Porsches and play the banjo, which I actually do for a living. It is nice to come home from a hard day's work in front of screaming banjo fans and do what is really fun - mess around with Porsches. Like you, I started out not knowing the cars but coveting them from afar. I soon became a complete addict. The reason this occured - I bought the '69T without inspecting it any closer than 100 feet at auction in Jackson Hole, Wyoming - is that people in the music business like to make fun of banjo players. Only accordian players are more (deservedly) ridiculed, and fortunately there are not many of them. One of the most common banjo-player jokes goes as follows: "Hey- What's something you NEVER hear anyone say?" "Is that the BANJO player's PORSCHE???!!!" ha ha ha ha Crowd laughs and points at banjo player. I got so sick of this joke that I decided to buy a Porsche. No one bothered to warn me the cars are so great I would become hopelessly obsessed and spend all income from banjo playing on Porsches. Best regards and good luck, Tucker Smith Bozeman, MT 406 209 1451 tucker.smith@bresnan.net http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1192373446.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1192373471.jpg |
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I would be very careful about rushing into a car like this. While I'm certainly not a snobby Porsche "tech-weenie" zealot for originality (some may think otherwise at the end of this compendious post), this car has been butchered twice. Firstly, 1983 was the beginning year of production cabs, so any earlier 911 has been "converted" - I would say butchered. Second, many people (I'm a zealot on this one) consider the 911 one of the most beautiful cars ever conceived. Why anyone would slice off the headlights to make a "slant-nose" is beyond me.
Below is a 1977 930 I recently purchased. The car is mechanically sound. I paid $16.3K; I am planning to convert the car to a sort of RSR-ish clone, which is the red car. To a "purist", the red car has also been butchered, but perhaps like the '77 cab conversion does for you, the red car makes my heart race. I did not want to buy an unmolested 930 and butcher it to make the RSR-esque clone, so I gambled and bought a molested car at a price I considered a discount to the market. I wish I had paid $10-15K more and bought an unmolested 930. I am too ashamed to drive my new-to-me 930 in public. When I got MT plates last month, I was going to get the novelty plate "COKE DEALER", so at least people would laugh out loud when I drove around. In Montana there is a new program whereby you can purchase permanent tags, and on this car they were only 2x the yearly fee ($60 vs. $120 - pretty amazing to me). Being of (mostly) Scottish ancestry, and hence extremely thrifty, I calculated that I can save $6000.00 over the next 100 years by doing this, but I could not have the word COKE DEALER on the lifetime plates. Now I am simply resigned to converting the car back to 911 headlights before I venture out in public. Before you jump into a car like this, please drive as many other Porsche products as you can. I had a '69T which I NEVER should have sold. It was a tremendous car. I had a '76 911S which was not bad and is now a race car (and sort-of-for-sale) project. I have a '96 C4S which I use everyday, year-round - 3 sets of wheels - there are only 3 seasons here - early summer, late summer, and winter. I look for excuses to drive the thing, even when the snow is 2 feet deep in the road. The car is utterly incredible. I have nearly driven the wheels off , mashing the throttle like a crazed race car driver, constantly redlining and drifting through turns as if it were a rice rocket with the 18 inch fake exaust pipe stuck on the back. Thankfully there are very few people in Montana and the police are unusually civil, plus the roads are smooth as glass. Mostly they just wave and smile. For some years in the 90's there was no speed limit, which was really awesome. In spite of my constant abuse, I cannot seem to make the car break. It is really unbelievable. I have had nearly every other type of vehicle and NOTHING compares. I am somewhat reticent to post this message because it may seem insulting to owners of "molested" (deliberately or otherwise) cars. I am interested to see what the predictably wide range of other other Porschephiles think about your '77 prospect. You are certainly welcome to call or email me if you want the long version of what I think about any 911. I am very long winded and my advice is free, largely because I have what in Neoclassical Economic Theory is called very low opportunity cost. I do not have anything to do except drive Porsches and play the banjo, which I actually do for a living. It is nice to come home from a hard day's work in front of screaming banjo fans and do what is really fun - mess around with Porsches. Like you, I started out not knowing the cars but coveting them from afar. I soon became a complete addict. The reason this occured - I bought the '69T without inspecting it any closer than 100 feet at auction in Jackson Hole, Wyoming - is that people in the music business like to make fun of banjo players. Only accordian players are more (deservedly) ridiculed, and fortunately there are not many of them. One of the most common banjo-player jokes goes as follows: "Hey- What's something you NEVER hear anyone say?" "Is that the BANJO player's PORSCHE???!!!" ha ha ha ha Crowd laughs and points at banjo player. I got so sick of this joke that I decided to buy a Porsche. No one bothered to warn me the cars are so great I would become hopelessly obsessed and spend all income from banjo playing on Porsches. Best regards and good luck, Tucker Smith Bozeman, MT 406 209 1451 tucker.smith@bresnan.net http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1192373446.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1192373471.jpg |
I do not know why my unnecessarily long response was posted twice. My apologies.
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I know plenty of 'sticklers for originality.'
Most of them would lose their lunch over this particular 1977 Targa I owned a couple of years ago. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1192375569.jpg It had 4" spacers on the rear to fill the 993 wide body flares. It had a 3.0 Turbo engine. But the brakes were stock vanilla '77. All the parts on the car were OEM. Probably cost over $60K to build. Like most cobble-together cars of this type, there were a lot of minor gremlins. The last 5% of fixes always seem to take 50% of the work to get right. It was a fun Summer car, and a good buy at $18K. |
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I completely agree. To me there is nothing better than buying something so well below the market. My own shoot-from-the-hip feeling about the car in question is that it is worth less than $20K, perhaps as low as $16K (?), based simply on what I've seen such cars go for recently. If there are other real data points on similarly converted cars near $24K, I would love to see them. By "real" I mean actual completed transactions, not copy-and-paste ebay pages that may or may not have even closed. How many times have you seen:
"Real Porsche 959 owned by Bill Gates in 1992, 2,345 ORIGINAL miles - BUY IT NOW PRICE: $19,995!!! Contact me at Nigerian.Scam@Abuja.net" As many of us have learned the hard way, these cars can get fantastically expensive REALLY quickly. I have seen many a great 930 in the past 9 months for sale in the $24 - 29K range, possibly because they are endless money pits and not very practical unless your daily commute is 120 miles away on an interstate highway in a big square state with less than 500K population. I think an unmolested car will retain it's value much better than a '77 convert-a-turbo. More of my 2 cents (sense?) Tucker |
Thanks for all the great responses and free education. The more research I do into "conversions" the more leery I become. Perhaps I would do better the start with a well maintained original. That being said what would be your recomendations for a starter Porsche in the 20K area. I live in a mountain canyon that opens up to miles of lightly travelled back roads. The hills get quite steep so power is important. My canyon was just repaved on Monday and the baby butt smooth pavement is sending me through withdrawls not having a great car to drive on it. My wife's Volvo and son's Charger just don't fill the need for me (we won't even talk about my pick-up). I also race bicycles so I'm getting my speed fix that way, but I need more!!!
Tuker - living in Bozeman, playing a banjo and working on and driving your Porsches like a madman sound like an idyllic existence to me - congrats |
911 - only way to go, IMHO
I wish I could live at the end of a steep mountain canyon w/new road. I drive between Bozeman and Jackson Hole (my hometown) all the time, through Ennis, MT, Ashton, ID and over Teton Pass. It's an unreal trip - I've done it many, many hundreds of times; often for no real reason other than to drive a 911 221 miles (one way) over several mountain passes, in all weather conditions. Some of the best scenery in the world. I got the C4S for this reason. It is like a snowmobile, and I use it that way 9 months out of every year. If you live where it does not snow, get a C2 or C2S. All the tts have AWD. You will see why if you drive one!
I grew up bicycle racing - age 9-28, mostly in hopes of becoming a faster nordic ski racer, which is my first love in life. All my friends in JH made the US and Olympic team(s). I did not because I was too heavy, ugly, and slow. I was a really fast road bke racer as a teen (6.1/190 lbs by age 15 - should have been a power lifter) but I only wanted to succeed at skiing. Of course, I really should have been an alpine racer, but that seemed too easy. We were Nerdic racers, and damned proud of it. Last year I bought a Felt F1C - 14.7 lbs wet - amazing bike. It rockets out from beneath you almost like a 911. I am hoping to get back into shape and race again next spring. As I mentioned, the 993 C4S is my all-time favorite Porsche, and thusfar has proven INDESTRUCTIBLE. You cannot imagine how hard I drive this car. I nearly bought a twin turbo instead, but I had a gut feeling I would kill myselff in the 993tt. I have very nearly died in the C4S, and I'm convinced I would have been seriously killed in the twin turbo. The 930 is a much less (for me) dangerous machine, but it's a completely different beast. The NA 993 motor will (fingers crossed) go 200K - possibly alot more. If I blow the engine, I can get a GOOD long block from a wrecking yard for $8K. The 993tt motor will go <100K (the way I drive) and I will definitely kill myself in the process. Dying is much quicker in winter with this car as well. TT Long blocks are VERY scarce and usually get snapped up for $16-$22K. Big difference here. Lots of NA 993 engines kicking around. I have been a 911 fanatic since my '69T purchase in '92. If I were you, I would look for a 993 - I feel VERY strongly it's the best bang for the buck (actually a good 964 may be, but whole other kettle of fish). Do not buy a '95, unless you cannot justify the expense of the 96 - 98 993. However, IMHO the '95 is the next best thing to get, and I feel the market discounts them accordingly. If I were you I would test drive (on your road, of course!) the following cars: First, the 993tt - BE CAREFUL with this car. It's so scary fast it's really dangerous over mountain roads. As a bike racer you will feel this right away. Then try a C4S and the a C2S. Do not get a plain 96-98 C4 or C2 - if you go this route get the '95 plain jane - it will cost less. The market for these cars is extremely efficient. I follow Porsche markets very closely - I'm an Econometrician by training, but I play the banjo for money because you meet alot more girls on stage w/instrument than in office/w calculator. Plus, the girls you meet playing music are alot younger and do not wear polyester clothing. In contrast to the 993, the market for the 930 is not efficient at all. The cars are old, they smoke, leak oil like crazy, break down alot, are VERY expensive to fix (all 911s are), and are dangerous in a completely different way than the 993tt. I have seen prices on the '95 993s as low as $17K for (really) high milage. No one really knows how long these cars will run, because they're still relatively new. I would say a decent '95 can be had for as low as $28K. If you want to stay under $18K, get the lowest milage and most recent 964 C2/C4(92-94 are best). I have seen these cars go as low as $15K for a nice one. One could write an entire book just on the history on the 964/993 engines. The 993 engines are far superior, and this is borne out in the mkt prices of these cars. The best deals are on ebay, but that's because the risk is very high. I have bought many cars and parts on ebay. You have to know these cars INSIDE-OUT to do this. Porsche Club - highest price points in North America. I am a proud member - it is a tremendous organization. Porsche Club is probably the safest place to buy a 911 (another book could be written here). Prices are inversely correlated to risk - ECON 101. Do not buy used 911 from a dealer, unless it's a friend/relative, or (possibly) a dealer that does exclusively 911 - not 924/944/928/968/914/911/912. It's REALLY entertaing to go on Autotrader and read the dealer ads. These people make "Jackass -The Movie" look like Ann Landers (!). Sorry dealers - you know who you are. Good Luck, Tucker |
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But as a general rule, it is not going to be as trouble-free, easy to work on, and overall reliable as, say, a 45,000 mile, all stock, '87 911 cab. To a lot of people, esp. those that want to tinker with the car, that's not a huge deal. But if you want to spend $20-25K on a nice, fun 911 to drive, and not be a project, and you aren't hooked on having a widebody turbocharged slopenose cab, then you probably are better off looking for a nice, stock, unmolested 911 cab. $20-25K will buy you a nice mid to late 80s Carrera cab, with low miles, original paint, and maintenance records. All 20 year old used cars involve some risk, but that would be your lowest risk option. |
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Is this what you have in mind for the "disfigured" :-) 930?: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=369078 http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1192494425.jpg Pretty similar to: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1192494824.jpg It just sold for something less than $35K... Quote:
Anyway, I checked you out on the web and the music sounds DAMN fine. And former guitar, banjo and mandolin champ....pretty impressive, even if it's only for Wyoming.... ;) |
Tucker - thanks for the advice and breakdowns on various 911's. I'v looked around a bit and really don't see any 993's in my budget out there, except for a 95 with over 200K miles - talk about driving the wheels off! I found this 964 which seems a decent value at 21.5K with only 42K miles but I can't stand those wheels - the fugliest wheels ever IMO. I've been lurking on Rennlist, Pelican and Autotrader - I look on e-bay but would be pretty hesitant to buy without a PPI so that probably wont work. Any other sugestions on places to look?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1192573220.jpg Description This low mileage 1989 964 C4 Coupe with sunroof is Guards Red with black leather interior. The paint and the interior of the car are immaculate. It is entirely stock except for a K&N filter, and aftermarket chip and stereo. The dual distributors have been rebuilt and the vent kit has been installed. Brake rotors and pads just replaced. Must sell before move to new home. Records back to 1998. Email for additional pictures. |
Also found this 996 but it's clear down in FL.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1192576510.jpg Seller's Comments BLUE/GRAY, CABRIOLET, FACTORY AERO BODY, 19" FOOSE WHEELS (COST $5,000), CARBON FIBER INTERIOR, RUNS AND LOOKS GOOD, REAR END MAKES A WHINNING NOISE AT HIGHER SPEED, BUT WORKS PERFECTLY. DOES NOT NEED TO BE REPAIRED AT THIS TIME. I HAVE DROPPED THE PRICE FROM ORIGINALLY $32,000 DOWN TO $25,000 FOR A QUICK SALE. GREAT LOOKING CAR WITH NO ACCIDENTS AT A CHEAP PRICE. |
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That's a very nice-looking 964. I would suggest you post this on the 964 forum here and on Rennlist and get some educated opinions. I'm certainly no expert, but I know the '89 964 is kind of a unique model in that the 4-wheel drive system is unique to that year and model and similar to the 959's. Later 964 C4's have a completely different setup for 4WD. If you live where there is winter, 4WD is probably a great option to have. In general, as with every model, 964's have a list of "issues" that you should be aware of, although it sounds like some of them have been addressed with this car. At 42K-mile car and $21.5 asking price is seriously tempting if it checks out, etc., etc. Those are the stock Design 90 wheels and I agree you could do better. A lot of 964 guys opt for 17" Cup (I or II) wheels and they are a definite improvement. Turbo twists would look good too, I think. It would be interesting to start a thread on the 10 WORST-LOOKING factory wheels :) I don't think D-90's would be at the top of the list (928 "manhole covers" would be my vote)--maybe in 3rd or 4th place. They're more "blah" than really bad-looking IHMO. Other places to look: Craigslist, Cars.com, Collector Car Trader, Hemmings, PCA website, regional PCA chapter websites. There's also a site that does a "mash-up" of various cars. He's posted on Rennlist and it's actually a nice tool: http://www.jaxed.com/cgi-bin/ms.cgi . It combines eBay, Craigslist and others. I think he has the 964 model included in his choices. HTH. |
The 1989-1994 964 C4s all has the same AWD system. Porsche revised the system (in complexity and weight) with the 993 C4 version.
Early 964 motors has some issues with heads not sealing properly and oil thus spewing out. With such low miles, I would certainly have a PPI done. Wheels can be changed. 964s us "new" offset wheels - meaning Cup I and Cup II wheels will bolt right on and look fantastic. Keep the D90s for snow or as anchors since only the VW crowd actually looks for them ;) |
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Looks like you passed on that conversion. I would not touch a car like that with a ten foot pole. All you have for records is the hearsay of the current owner. All cars are owned by rich doctors in Beverly Hills if there are no records to back it up. :D 24k will buy you a lot of unmolested Porsche. I am all for hot rodding and modifying, but I like to stop when the torch comes out.
Now for that 964: Wheels are easily changed. It's like passing on a nice house because the wallpaper is ugly. You have to look past things that are easily changed. You should go with the advice above: Drive as many as you can and while you shop, save more money. You were ready to buy the slant for 24k? 6k more and you can get a decent 993! Just my two cents, George |
Yep I passed and basically came to the same conclusion about a 993. I'm just going to take my time and find the right one. I am kind of blown away as to how cheap the 996's are though. I keep coming across nice low mileage 99 & 00's in the low to mid 20's.
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I would rather buy that slant nose than a 99 or 00 996! At least you will want to look at the later 996, if you are so inclined. Don't you think the later cars are huge? Have you seen an aircooled car next to a 996?
The 993 is the last air cooled car and still pretty manageable to service and work on yourself. Also, while it's more $, it is likely to hold it's value. The 996 may end up in 928 territory in 5 years from today. I remember people raving about the 996 hitting sub 40s a couple of years ago. ;) Georgehttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1193175711.jpg |
I do like the 993 looks wise much better than the 996. I just need to find a 96-98 C4S with under 50K miles for around $25K - unfortunatly such a beast doesn't exist unless it is a salvage.
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Not sure if I'd want the 4wd. And with the 2CS you pay 15k for an extra couple of inches.
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Ok. Makes sense then. You get the big reds as a bonus if you go with the C4S. You are talking 45k for a decent example though. C4 will be much cheaper.
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No - I'm just not that turned on by the 964's. I'm going to save my pennies for a bit and find a nice 993. Besides I bought a modified 02 Volvo s60 AWD today for my daily driver and I'm picking up an 08 Mercedes C300 Sport 4matic tomorrow for my wife and I have another Volvo to sell so I need to take a break from buying cars for while - especially with quarterly taxes due in a week and property taxes due next month the wallet is going to be a bit tired and in need of a rest before the big Christmas work out. I'm thinking March before I get serious again - that way most of the snow will be melted.
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You ( the buyer ) is the market on something like this. There are not exactly a whole lot of bids coming in for a car like this. Its also one of a kind and its built to the PO's wishes so "fair value" is very very subjective. I am personally sketchy on any targa to cab conversion, but hey thats just me |
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If that's the case, would you mind letting me know where the info on the car is? You can email me directly at stp@pobox.com . I'd like to find out more about it. Or you can just post it here if you like. TIA. |
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I was interested in this car, seen it in the dupont registry. The car is located in salt lake city and I had it brought to a Porsche dealer and had a PPI on it. Here's what I was told -- It pulls hard to the right when you stop, the A/C and heaters don't work. The front wheels hit the fenders when you make a hard turn. The car smoked , the right window sluggish, the top was binding, secondary air is cut off, left front strut not mounted right, hood hard to open hood need flat bar, lid struts don't work, rear engine mounts worn. I passed as I was not able to see it myself, but the decission is yours |
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