Where are all the 911's for sale?

[gmiz]

I have been looking for a G 50 or a 964 for some time - with no success yet.

The difference is that a few months ago, there were cars to consider buying. Now, there seems to be very little on the market. I am seeing more "wanted" ads than anything.

Is this just a timing issue or is there a change in the market?

[Macroni]

timing.... tons of cars, nice cars, are available.

[pirahna]

I would guess timing. A few months ago there where a lot more cars being listed. I would guess people are waiting until after tax time and closer to summer to list some of the nicer cars. It is already a hard time to sell, this time of year it is even worse.

[Cal44]

I tell you what's funny....well sorta. I put my car for sale and have over 1000 views on this site and guess what? Not one contact. Could it have been my "to the point" ad?, who knows.
When it comes to timing I cannot for the life of me figure out when I should advertise.
Such as life. Now here is guy looking for a G50 car, I don't do G50 cars because I like a 915 cars, now I wish I had a G50 to sell him. I can't win............

[RacerX1166]

I've noticed a major lack of (nice) G50's for sale as well. However, there seem to be a lot more 964's on the market than there have been in the past.

I'll go with timing plus, as it's been pointed out before, those with nice G50's (and are inclined to sell them) are waiting until the market comes back a bit. Even if I wanted to sell mine (and am considering it in favor of a less 'minty' car) I wouldn't do it now. I don't want to take the loss on it.

[cantfindaname]

I have heard more than one individual state that people are not selling their G50's due to the current prices. So could someone please be a little more specific since I have no idea what G50's were once going for 2-3 years ago. What was the avg retail for a decent (avg) 80k mile vehicle in coupe, targa and Cab 3 years ago ? IM also assuming were talking about 87-89.

Thank you in advance

[PropellerHead]

Originally Posted by RacerX1166

I'll go with timing plus, as it's been pointed out before, those with nice G50's (and are inclined to sell them) are waiting until the market comes back a bit. Even if I wanted to sell mine (and am considering it in favor of a less 'minty' car) I wouldn't do it now. I don't want to take the loss on it.

Keep in mind that when the market comes back, it come back for the car you're looking to buy too. It is all relative. If you're trading used cars for used cars, the relative difference is what matters. Heck, you might do better in a tough economy to 'downgrade' your car for something less 'minty' since only the best cars will bring premium pricing and the less-than-stellar cars today are the ones taking a bath.

I recently sold one car and bought another. As it turns out it was a great time to buy and sell for me. I sold a car in great shape and bought a non-running project. I'm investing in it now and when the market does rebound, I stand to do very well if I ever sell it. But since it is a car - I don't view it as an investment and instead I enjoy driving them.

[81turboporsche]

personally i believe that the forums are a hard place to sell things like cars that we have a price set in mind and of course many of the people viewing it see it as less and pick apart flaws , if i was going to sell another car i would not do it on a board, when i sold my ws6 a few years back to buy my 911 it seemed like everyone had a comment on "if it was this price i would buy it all day long" and the aggravation for picture kickers is horrible. local craigslist or crazedlist.org and you should find anything you want

[Doug&Julie]

Originally Posted by Cal44

I tell you what's funny....well sorta. I put my car for sale and have over 1000 views on this site and guess what? Not one contact. Could it have been my "to the point" ad?, who knows.

This comment makes me smile because it seems all I ever hear about is people complaining about "dealing with tire kickers". If you take the time to create a thorough ad, with full discriptions and lots of photographs, you eliminate the "tire kickers". I haven't seen your ad but I would suggest you've probably done this. Be thankful. The person who does contact you will likely be a serious buyer.

Oh, and I agree with others...timing...poor economy makes people want to hold onto their valuables. (Unless, like me, you feared losing your job and had to sell your valuable. )

[931GT]

I had no problem selling my 911 here this past fall. But then it was in good shape, looked great and was priced aggressively and I tend to be much more price sensitive when buying so I don't have to be when it comes time to sell. I think most of those who have difficulty selling are priced too high. Trying to bleed every dollar out of buyers in this market just doesn't make sense.

[TV74911S]

I have been looking at 964s for sale nationwide since late last spring to get a sense of the $$ needed to step up from my '74S which I am thinking seriously about selling. Here are some of the things I have noticed over this time:

- low mileage cars (<50K) are priced in the mid-to-low $20s depending on model and style. Low mileage C2/C4 cabs tend to be in the higher band of this range and stay on the market longer
- low mileage C2 coupes, particularly 91s-94s don't tend to stay on the market that long. I think the reason is that these 964s - particularly the ones after '91 - seem to pile up the miles and have a fairly long life still ahead of them
- many of the ads I have seen are for high mileage 964's in the mid-high teens. Invariably these are cars north of 100K miles. The ones with a complete set of maintenance records don't stay around long. A 964 in Michigan with 107K sold on this forum in 48 hours. It listed $9k of recent maintenance work done. The asking price was $16.5 which represented a great deal.

[RacerX1166]

Originally Posted by PropellerHead

Keep in mind that when the market comes back, it come back for the car you're looking to buy too. It is all relative. If you're trading used cars for used cars, the relative difference is what matters. Heck, you might do better in a tough economy to 'downgrade' your car for something less 'minty' since only the best cars will bring premium pricing and the less-than-stellar cars today are the ones taking a bath.

I recently sold one car and bought another. As it turns out it was a great time to buy and sell for me. I sold a car in great shape and bought a non-running project. I'm investing in it now and when the market does rebound, I stand to do very well if I ever sell it. But since it is a car - I don't view it as an investment and instead I enjoy driving them.

Trust that I thought of that. I'm actually hoping that my divorce is final soon, which will free up some funds to buy said vehicle and allow me to hold on to the nicer car until the market returns.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by PropellerHead

Keep in mind that when the market comes back, it come back for the car you're looking to buy too. It is all relative. If you're trading used cars for used cars, the relative difference is what matters. Heck, you might do better in a tough economy to 'downgrade' your car for something less 'minty' since only the best cars will bring premium pricing and the less-than-stellar cars today are the ones taking a bath.

I recently sold one car and bought another. As it turns out it was a great time to buy and sell for me. I sold a car in great shape and bought a non-running project. I'm investing in it now and when the market does rebound, I stand to do very well if I ever sell it. But since it is a car - I don't view it as an investment and instead I enjoy driving them.

I totally agree with this.

I bought a car on the rise of the market, and sat on it for a couple of years. It peaked and came back down. I got lucky and got out of it what I had in it. I took that money and bought what I consider an undervalued SWB car that will appreciate more in the long run. And again, if I never make a cent on it, it won't matter because I got into the car I really wanted instead of the car I just kind of liked.

[salukijac]

Originally Posted by Cal44

I tell you what's funny....well sorta. I put my car for sale and have over 1000 views on this site and guess what? Not one contact. Could it have been my "to the point" ad?, who knows.
When it comes to timing I cannot for the life of me figure out when I should advertise.
Such as life. Now here is guy looking for a G50 car, I don't do G50 cars because I like a 915 cars, now I wish I had a G50 to sell him. I can't win............

Cal,
I saw your ad, and truthfully you sound a little inflexible, which is ok. The problem is you post a bunch of reasons why you will not compromise and then only post ONE picture of your car. I think you can do better than that and maybe get more bites on your car. BTW from the one picture it looks like a nice car.

One more thing, you may be scaring away potential first time Porsche buyers as there are already scared crapless on making the commitment to buy a car without second guessing their decision...just saying.

[yelcab1]

I sold my SC in 4 hours to the first caller, with 4 more behind him waiting to buy. There are cars out there, and buyers too.

[GregB7S4]

Originally Posted by Cal44

I tell you what's funny....well sorta. I put my car for sale and have over 1000 views on this site and guess what? Not one contact. Could it have been my "to the point" ad?, who knows.
When it comes to timing I cannot for the life of me figure out when I should advertise.
Such as life. Now here is guy looking for a G50 car, I don't do G50 cars because I like a 915 cars, now I wish I had a G50 to sell him. I can't win............

Sounds like you may be asking too much

Originally Posted by yelcab1

I sold my SC in 4 hours to the first caller, with 4 more behind him waiting to buy. There are cars out there, and buyers too.

Sounds like you asked too little.

[yelcab1]

Originally Posted by GregB7S4

Sounds like you may be asking too much



Sounds like you asked too little.

I could have asked $4K more and not sell it, or $2K more and sit on it for 6 months. In the end, I asked for a reasonable price according to what I would pay if I were to look, and I am pretty knowledgeable about cars.

So, I was happy with the price I got, and the buyer was happy with the price he paid, hence that is the real market. I got more for what I paid for it years ago (although i did put a lot of work into it). I still got more than some of the SC asking prices on here.

[mrbeverlyhills]

The 964 is the best kept secret in P-car land. 5 speed coupes go quickly, no need to worry about mileage, low mile cars can be more money to get going than a well looked after car that has seen some duty. All 911s like to be driven.

What is the preoccupation with the gearbox? 915s shift very well, G-50s better mostly but different, I do not understand anyone wanting to limit their 911 purchase based on transmission, especially since they are having a self stated hard time finding a car. It's spring, lot's of motoring enjoyment to be had by getting out there.

92-94 964 with over 100k miles is nothing, mine has 150k and pulls like a train and reliable to a T. Everything works. These years command a small premium due to gasket issues and aero mirrors but anything from 89-94 is a great car and if well maintained and over 100k miles should be sold around 16-19k. It should need nothing, not even tires.

Between 50 and 100k miles you might see a sale at 22k for a really nice car but most buyers I know have opted for lower prices and more use, purchasing from POC/PCA members where the car is known and driven, maintained by known shops and not parked in the garage for show.

Most expensive 911 I ever had was a 18,000 mile cream puff, virtually every rubber part on or in the car was bad and there was so much cr@p in the fuel system it took $5k to put it right. So much for low miles.