Ice Green '76 911s

calling911 · 11:54 AM

I just bought a '76.. I am loosing my mind.. no PPI.. no time cuz I think I got it really cheap.. It blew no smoke and shifted well.. But wondering what its worth... paint is excellent and interior is sorta ratty.. crack on brown dash.. but will clean up really well.. Has aftermarket AC non functioning of course.. (I think its aftermarket.. it seems to fill the smugglers box and says volkswagn on it??) I have no pics yet; in fact I have not closed the deal other than downpayment.. But it looks EXACTLY like this...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=229472&highlight=ice+gr een

Ice green mettallic in all of its 1970's glory!

180kmiles on the ODO.. the bottom is WONDERFUL.. you could EAT off of it its so clean.. NO RUST cept for a small battery acid leak.. VERY small leak.. All german glass. Brown vinyl interior.. like I said besides the cracks it will will clean up.. original shag carpet.. LOL! Pretty matted but will steam clean I bet..

Manual windows (thank god!).

Jack lift points are excellent.. looking inside the tubes you see minor surfce rust and mostly PAINT!! and clearly the inner rockes are ROCK solid. 15" fuchs.. all nice condition.. I did not get paint code but since I saw the same green under the dash its gotta be stock color.

Front and rear sway bars.. not sure if they are factory or not..

Whats it worth roughly??

I am sick sick sick!! 2 911's within a month!

Jay H · 12-25-2006, 03:55 PM

I think we need a bit more info on the mechanicals, specifically the condition of the engine (still a 2.7?), when it was rebuilt, when the 915 trans was rebuilt, when the clutch was last replaced, condition of the brakes, etc.

With 180,000 on the odometer, the original motor must have been rebuilt at some point in the future.

New carpet kits can run $200-300 for low cost carpet to $800 for just German carpet, plus installation costs. If you can not live with the dash crashs, a new dash in black is $1000.

If the repaint looks nice, motor is on a relatively fresh rebuilt, trans has been reworked recently and the interior can freshened up easily enough without too much money, this car could be priced anywhere from $7000 to $10,000.

Ice Green is a fantastic '70's color!

Good Luck!

Jay
90 964, 84 3.2

calling911 · 12-25-2006, 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by Jay H
I think we need a bit more info on the mechanicals, specifically the condition of the engine (still a 2.7?), when it was rebuilt, when the 915 trans was rebuilt, when the clutch was last replaced, condition of the brakes, etc.

With 180,000 on the odometer, the original motor must have been rebuilt at some point in the future.

New carpet kits can run $200-300 for low cost carpet to $800 for just German carpet, plus installation costs. If you can not live with the dash crashs, a new dash in black is $1000.

If the repaint looks nice, motor is on a relatively fresh rebuilt, trans has been reworked recently and the interior can freshened up easily enough without too much money, this car could be priced anywhere from $7000 to $10,000.

Ice Green is a fantastic '70's color!

Good Luck!

Jay
90 964, 84 3.2

Part of the "deal" was not knowing any of the history.. I take it for a test drive in the morning but I just revved it a bit and no smoke.. so I will see.. the deal is hinged on the test drive.. so as long as it goes thru the gears nice and the clutch is there and there is no smoke it will be a deal...

I paid WAY less than $7k.. so this is good news if everything else looks good.. I shall report back after the deal is done.. supposed to show up with the rest if the green in the morning..

Oh; and dont know what motor.. how can I tell when I go to look at it in the morning? I'm guessing a 2.7.

Jay H · 12-25-2006, 04:11 PM

The definitive answer on the motor will be the engine serial number.

If the car is solid and drives well, you are getting a nice deal if you can pick it up for well under $7000.

Best,

Jay
90 964, 84 3.2

Gogar · 12-25-2006, 04:47 PM

LOL I called about 20 minutes after you put your money down.

Congratulations. Well, tenatively.

calling911 · 12-25-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Gogar
LOL I called about 20 minutes after you put your money down.

Congratulations. Well, tenatively.

Thanks.. I think.. probably wont REALLY know if I got a good deal till spring when I get time to do a compression test... but even still.. the rest of the car is great.. sorry you missed it.. I moved as fast as I could.. I knew it was a gonner that day..

I may sell it in spring.. stay tuned... I'll redo the interior and a few other things... should be really nice when I am done.

racer · 12-26-2006, 02:08 PM

It only matters "what's it worth" if you are reselling, imho. If you don't think you paid too much, then you paid just right. Without pics its hard to judge. Since motors cost from $3k-8K, I hope you didn't pay more than about $5k, given its lack of mechanical history.

calling911 · 12-26-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by racer
It only matters "what's it worth" if you are reselling, imho. If you don't think you paid too much, then you paid just right. Without pics its hard to judge. Since motors cost from $3k-8K, I hope you didn't pay more than about $5k, given its lack of mechanical history.

Well the deal is final! The motor is ROCK solid and NO smoke.. HOWEVER 3rd gear syncro is history.. if I double clutch its fine but otherwise it grinds on upshift.. the rest is great; 1st gear is like butta. Gotta find out what its gonna take to fix this.. I could drive it forever like this but Id still like to fix it..

Here are some pics.. the engine checks out to a '76 california...

Anybody know what kind of air conditioning this is (was)?

calling911 · 12-26-2006, 02:38 PM

Jay H · 12-26-2006, 03:21 PM

What a gem of a 911 in those colors! Nice job.

You know a tranny rebuild is looming in your future. Once you pull that thing, you may as well go through the whole trans instead of just fixing 3rd...

Everyone bashes the 2.7 cars, but they have such a great look to them with the mild flares, less 'dish' look to the Fuchs, limited options as compared to the later cars, lighter weight, etc. With a solid motor, these cars are a hoot to drive!

Post some more pics of that interior!

Good luck with your 'new' 911!

Jay
90 964
84 3.2

calling911 · 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by Jay H
What a gem of a 911 in those colors! Nice job.

You know a tranny rebuild is looming in your future. Once you pull that thing, you may as well go through the whole trans instead of just fixing 3rd...

Everyone bashes the 2.7 cars, but they have such a great look to them with the mild flares, less 'dish' look to the Fuchs, limited options as compared to the later cars, lighter weight, etc. With a solid motor, these cars are a hoot to drive!

Post some more pics of that interior!

Good luck with your 'new' 911!

Jay
90 964
84 3.2

Thanks.. well with 180k on it I am guessing this motor has been fixed.. not an easy verification but I bet it was.. is there a way to check tensioners? Head bolts?

Here are some more pics.. the interior is ratty.. needs new carpet and new seats or ulphostery and just plain old hard work.. and the dash is cracked like crazy.. I have not taken off the steering wheel cover yet so I do not know whats under it.. the engine is a california # so I am guessing the steering wheel might be history.

The heat blows HOT.. which was nice today in Denver.. I did not know a 911 could make that kind of heat.. I wonder if its worth the effort to remove the A/C from the car.. or would it devalue the car?? And what about California smog stuff.. ?? I wonder if I should remove that? Not sure what "it" is.

Jay H · 12-27-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by calling911
Thanks.. well with 180k on it I am guessing this motor has been fixed.. not an easy verification but I bet it was.. is there a way to check tensioners? Head bolts?

Head studs can be checked pretty easily. Remove the valve covers the studs can be checked from there. If the tensioners are quiet, they are probably O.K. for now. With zero records, I'd at least plan on replacing the tensioners in the short term. Either upgrade fully to the Carrera style or if you are on a budget, replace them with the appropriate older style. Porsche used the old style tensioners from '65 to '83, so they are not THAT bad of a design.

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Originally posted by calling911
I wonder if its worth the effort to remove the A/C from the car.. or would it devalue the car?? And what about California smog stuff.. ?? I wonder if I should remove that? Not sure what "it" is.

There is no A/C compressor in the engine compartment, nor do I see any dash vents to accomodate an A/C system in the passenger compartment. So, yank that thing in the smugglers box if you want. There is no loss of value with yanking that item. The only thing that would reduce value on one of these cars is if you would be removing a factory (or dealer installed when new) A/C system that was operating correctly.

Good Luck!

Jay
90 964
84 3.2

racer · 12-27-2006, 06:14 PM

Well.. There is an AC compressor, its located on the left side of the engine compartment. But, as mentioned, it does not have the expected under dash AC vents, so I wonder if this was at somepoint a botched "upgrade". Ditch what is sitting in the smugglers box (besides, that is where the lightweight battery can be relocated to

)

Looks good in the pics. A few dash cracks but that is not un-expected.

Not sure what Co/Denver emmissions are, but your best bet, if it still has its California spec emmissions stuff, is to rip that stuff off, put on some SSI's and a dual outlet muffler (this could net you 10-15hp a "cali" motor was spec'd at only 157hp assuming it is an S.) , then backdate the heat to get rid of those annoying hoses in the engine compartment. Get the wheels refinished. Do a valve adjustment and oil/oil filter change to "baseline" the car and have fun with it.

The steering wheel has a funky cover (or the cover is failing) - but that is nothing a nice little Momo wheel can't fix.

Jay H · 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by racer
Well.. There is an AC compressor, its located on the left side of the engine compartment.

Racer, I'll have to respectfully disagree. That's the air pump on the left side that is part of the emissions system on these motors. All that does is push air into the exhaust system. A/C compressors were mounted on the right side of the motor (as you look at the motor from the rear). This car does not have an A/C compressor mounted in the engine compartment.

This car does not have a rear deck lid condenser either, nor does it seem to have the brackets for that deck lid condenser or even the bracket for the A/C compressor.

However, from looking at the second last pic posted, there seems to be some sort of vent or opening stuff with maybe a white colored rag... that could be some sort of added ventilation system... Maybe a 2.7 owner could shed some light on that opening and what it may be (or may have been).

I do however agree with the use of SSI's and a sport muffler on this motor for a bit more output.

Gogar · 12-27-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by racer
Not sure what Co/Denver emmissions are, but your best bet, if it still has its California spec emmissions stuff, is to rip that stuff off, put on some SSI's and a dual outlet muffler

+1

calling911 · 12-27-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Jay H
Racer, I'll have to respectfully disagree. That's the air pump on the left side that is part of the emissions system on these motors. All that does is push air into the exhaust system. A/C compressors were mounted on the right side of the motor (as you look at the motor from the rear). This car does not have an A/C compressor.

This car does not have a rear deck lid condenser either, nor does it seem to have the brackets for that deck lid condenser or even the bracket for the A/C compressor.

However, from looking at the second last pic posted, there seems to be some sort of vent or opening stuff with maybe a white colored rag... that could be some sort of added ventilation system... Maybe a 2.7 owner could shed some light on that opening and what it may be (or may have been).

I do however agree with the use of SSI's and a sport muffler on this motor for a bit more output.

Yes a white rag stuffed in it.. you can see an electric squirrel cage inside of it.. there is a compressor in the rear.. the steel lines are all run thru the rockers somehow... I wonder if this is some sort of factory setup ..
Also; I could see the condensor thru the "firewall" adjacent to the smugglers box.. common area where I've seen it cut out before.. so the condensor is right in the smugglers box..

Here are some more pics.. apparently those are the controls on the floor.. a real mess..

Jay H · 12-27-2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by calling911
the steel lines are all run thru the rockers somehow... I wonder if this is some sort of factory setup...

The pic above is the oil lines for the front mounted oil cooler. You can see the external thermostat housing as well. This is 100% factory and has nothing to do with A/C systems.

Calling911, you are right, I have seen A/C condensors hacked into the area below the passenger foot wells and such. This might have been an aftermarket type unit after all.

Dealer installed A/C systems on these early cars featured underdash vents and were some of the most effective A/C systems in 911 before the 964 came out. This system seems a bit 'rigged' if I may be so bold...

Jay H · 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by calling911
there is a compressor in the rear..

Where is this compressor? Do you have a pic of it?

(I'm not flamin' or being difficult, I just want to help if I can!)

the · 12-27-2006, 09:58 PM

There is ABSOLUTELY, positively, NO air conditioning compressor on that car, at least not in the pictures you posted.

The rear condensor also is not there.

calling911 · 12-28-2006, 04:58 AM

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Originally posted by the
There is ABSOLUTELY, positively, NO air conditioning compressor on that car, at least not in the pictures you posted.

The rear condensor also is not there.

This is great news if its aftermarket.. which I think it is.. as mentioned above the aftermarkets were hacked at the "firewall"... and thats what I saw when I pulled back the carpet on the passenger side.. a big old square cut into the poor 911s.. this WAS a california car per the engine # so I am guessing somebody got tired of the heat..

I want this car to be all original.. do not plan on messing it up like lots did with the early Porsche's so I am hopefully I can remove this frankenstein..

thanks for correcting me on the oil cooler lines.. I did not know these cars has a front mounted oil cooler.. COOL!

I wonder if someone STARTED this job and never finished? HMMMMM..

I wish I had more pics as the car is in storage and I have to make an appt. to go look at it.. but if the car has no compressor then I am hopefull its just gonna be a matter of removing all that gak in the smugglers box.. and then welding in a panel over the square they cut... I found the fan knobs in the "trunk"... I didn't know what they were until I saw the controls laying on the floor as you see in the pic. Also; there are some NEW blower housing laying in the trunk.. again; I bet someone started what they could not finish. Unless maybe someone started removing and got the heavy stuff out and stopped here..

Can't wait to get my '69 restore done so I have room for this baby at home.