1971 911t

[3stewartS]

I'm trying to help a friend put a price on his 71 T.
We just brought it out of a 6 year hibernation.
With the obvious modifications I am hard pressed to put a number to it.
The flares are steel and very well done.
The bumpers are fiberglass.
I have found ZERO RUST!
This car drives very nice, shifts smooth.
It has about 82000 miles.
no service records but I'm sure the engine has been "refreshed"
All input is appreciated.

[TwoSeatsOrLess]

More photos would be helpful to tell how hotrodded it is...

Stock motor and trans, etc?

[3stewartS]

motor and trans appear stock. no pressure fed tensioners.
still evaluating oil leaks.
The interior has white-faced gauges, Plastic dash "topper" rear seat delete (covered up really) "race" seats.



The stereo (with large amp, sub and assorted accessories) doesn't work.
fiberglass whale tail with 2 vents
interior is very nice. carpet good, door trim panels good.
a reflector has been added to the rear
The wheels look nice but are stamped "made in japan" nines on back sevens up front 15" I think

[3stewartS]

So is 30k too much or not enough? how bout 40k? maybe 20? I simply don't know.
My friend will soon want to sell this car. I'm just trying to help him decide how much to ask for it.

[dienstuhr]

Wow, that's a... look.

I think that many won't be able to get past the cosmetics on that one. Widebody longhoods (unless RS replicas) can be a tough sell. Difficult to put this one back to stock too. Mechanical condition will be very important to a sale - rebuild history, compression/leakdown, transmission condition.

To be honest it looks like a bit of a hot mess to me. $12K maybe? Would be worth more to a person who finds the unique look appealing. Expensive to return those cosmetics to stock, and it's a Targa which detracts to most.

GLWS,

d.

[Milesaway]

$8-$10k tops, all the mods have ruined any value and i can't even imagine there is a buyer for it now that miami vice is off the air. GLWTS or part it out

[TwoSeatsOrLess]

It's a shame but the mods do really detract from value. I think the 12k number is solid if you want a quick sale in CA, although being in Kansas City, finding a buyer might be a bit tougher than out here. I would venture that in CA you could get 15-17k for the car but you need to find THE buyer, who really wants it which could take many months if not longer.

[sm70911]

15-17k ? ... I doubt that. No records, and not very nice mods. Personally I think dienstuhr called it, 12k tops provided there is no major structural rust repair. With the car being in KC I would ask that but expect milesaways number.

[CountD]

Originally Posted by Milesaway

$8-$10k tops, all the mods have ruined any value and i can't even imagine there is a buyer for it now that miami vice is off the air.

Miami Vice is still a sweet show.

I was going to say $10,500 as the number to try to get. I have seen many, many cars like this in SoCal lately with price tags of $14K, $16K, and yes, $18K, but no one wants them. For the price of long hood parts, it would probably take $8k just to get the clean parts to start to clean this up (that is, if you wanted to). I am not saying it wasn't executed to a standard, as many were done like this but now in today's market I believe $10-$12K would get it sold, but not right away...but then again I may be wrong.

[TwoSeatsOrLess]

At the 8k number I would be an immediate cash buyer and I have zero desire to own the car. So there's your low number, it's worth at least that bc I'd wire funds tmrw site unseen. There's obviously some value in it given that it's numbers matching, and in CA it's pre-75 so no SMOG.

[Milesaway]

You are not wrong on both counts. Great show and i think crokett and tubbs may just pay $10k to relive the old days and cruise south beach in this

[Milesaway]

Scratch my last comment, it appears even C&T had some restraint

[sm70911]

I was wondering why I had been feeling such a primordial urge for a white car.

[Matt Monson]

I feel like I've gone through a wormhole and ended up on the Early S forum where the concours crowd rules the day. Do I think that the mods are tasteful? Hell no. But in the current environment and with the huge popularity that car isn't going to be hard to sell at all.

74-76 Carrera aftermarket tail. Will sell in 15 minutes in the classifieds. Replace with stock.

Aftermarket mid 70's sport seats. Will sell in a couple days on CL. Stock 70-71 seats are a dime a dozen.

White face gauges. Rip them out and go buy some stock ones in the classifieds for less than $100 a gauge or send them to North Hollywood Speedo and have them returned to stock.

Rear bumper. Rip it off and replace with a fiberglass RS bumper. Sell the reflettor for $200-300 if it is nice.

Front bumper. Leave it be

Carrera rockers and stone guards. A good body guy can remove the rocker covers and guards, fill the holes, and paint it for $1000 or so.

Steering wheel. Recover the leather or find a stock one in the classifieds for $150.

I don't think anyone would really want to remove the flares unless they were going for a show car. It's got that R-gruppe look many many people actually like while being period correct.

So, add up all of the above on what it would take to make this car more correct? Probably $5-6k. That $5-6k does not make this an $8-10k car when nice 911T drivers are trading hands all day long for $25-30k. I put this car at $18-20K, and if your friend is looking to move on it quickly, accept any offer over $15k.

Just have him do himself a favour and go get a PPI on his dime. Get leakdown given the unknown history. Have a shop look for any hidden issues that he can openly disclose. There's a good chance that the buyer on this car will be out of state or even overseas if your buddy is willing to deal with the Europeans. Given that my old '70 911T sold for 55k Euro after restoration in Germany will give you an idea of both what the Europeans think these early cars are worth and how much they will spend to make them right. My car got a bare metal respray and probably $10k of rust repair. If you are right, and this car doesn't need that, it's really a cosmetic restoration and pretty easily done in the right hands.

[3stewartS]

Thanks Matt for bringing some common sense and objectivity into the foray! And taking the time to explain your opinion.
And thanks to all who responded. I will consider myself informed and entertained.
This car even with the "miami vice" theme is well done and rust free, a great candidate for an "R Groupe" style car.
When he decides to sell I will post it here on Pelican cars for sale forum

[CountD]

Once he gets it sorted from the storage he might not want to sell it! Wish him luck on the sale - remember the two rules of old car sales 1) Start high and you can always come down, and 2) They always sell, somehow or some way. Still it looks like a pretty clean ride that was tricked out with personality and personal touches. I would drive it...

[Cal44]

If I was driving down the street and saw this for sale............I'd keep driving.
It's just wrong on all levels.

[CountD]

Originally Posted by Cal44

If I was driving down the street and saw this for sale............I'd keep driving.
It's just wrong on all levels.

Well, like I said, here in SoCal there are SO many of these cars, so many done like this. I see at least one a day. It is, after all, a car culture out here and you can tinker year-round. But it doesn't make it wrong, people did this all the time (and still do) to longhoods...

[Rot 911]

Matt makes some good points. A number of things can be easily, although not so cheaply fixed. However, those flares, while they may be steel, do not look like they were well done. Look at the arches, they just look all wrong. Maybe just the camera angle.

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by Rot 911

Matt makes some good points. A number of things can be easily, although not so cheaply fixed. However, those flares, while they may be steel, do not look like they were well done. Look at the arches, they just look all wrong. Maybe just the camera angle.

First thing I noticed is that the rear flare appears to be welded on about an inch to inch and a half too low on the body. This is not a good sign. Proceed with caution.

I'll also add that 'R Gruppe' is thrown around a lot, but an R Gruppe early car should not have Turbo flares. ST flares would be more appropriate, and they look so completely different that it'd take a master craftsman to re-shape these to ST profile.