Flippers and Dealers list

[Kevin911sc]

As enthusiasts most of us want to sell a car to a new loving home. I totally understand the people that just want a quick transaction too. With all the stories we hear about flippers misrepresenting themselves as enthusiasts while contributing little of substance to the forums.

Its time we make it a little harder for them, and put the information out there for sells to make informed decisions.

Please, If you know the name or tag of a flipper or dealer list them here.

[christiandk]

Hmm....dealers snd flipprs can change names. Most here can EASILY spot a flip. But if you want a car buy it...if you dont...then dont!?

Only thing about flippers i deteste is when a seller gets screwed by the flipper. Like the flip dgritz (probably works incognito now) did with the infamous and extremely nice olive green SC some years go.

[vracer]

I bought a non-P-car from a flipper. He was a dirty rotten lying SOB, but it was (and is) a great car.

[WANNA930]

You guys and gals just can't leave the flipper deal alone. This imaginary hate that consumes some people in regards to every car that is supposedly flipped is just plain ridiculous.

First there is a difference between someone who rips someone off by mis representing a car and one who resells for a profit.

When you sell your car you sell it for an amount you feel comfortable with nobody is coming there and hypnotizing you into a lower sale price.

When you buy a car you are the one that feels comfortable with the amount you are paying.

Explain what is wrong with that??? How about a list of people who rip someone off or misrepresent a car. Reselling a car is not the same thing. Believe it or not but EVERY product you buy is resold. WHO CARES!! Wrong price, move on.

The reason people are so mad is they are not getting the same amount for their cars as the dealers and that is what drives them nuts. If the dealers were flipping under market price you wouldn't say a word.

This is the USA, I love money and I will sell anything that makes me more of it and can care less if I am titled as a so called flipper. The same reason I work every day, to make more money. When I sell a car am I supposed to actually take into account how much I bought it for and disregard market pricing at that time? It is just such a dumb premise that I can't understand why anybody who isn't in the market monitors sales so closely?

[Kevin911sc]

Wanna930... whats the problem with someone who wants to sell a car to someone in the community that will enjoy it. Good price or bad price isn't the issue, its that people like to see the car still driving around or know where it went.

We aren't going to jumble this post up with rip offs or mis-represented cars...because neither flipper or dealers are doing anything wrong. Other than those that misrepresent themselves.

A little information never hurt anyone.
Guessing from your "tax implications of flipping a car" post you might not like this information for selfish reasons (I'm always a little suspect of any member that doesn't have pictures of their cars posted)

*Hey look at that, someone just edited their last post.....I give him credit, he might be a flipper...but at least he's honest about it!

[brianvb]

Wanna930 is completely correct. A list of crooks would be of great help. Whether people are "dealing" or "flipping" is not relevant. Profit is not a bad word. It's only relevant that they are not CROOKS !
I recently bought 2 911's and a RollsRoyce in a 3 car deal. I'm keeping the 911's. I'm gonna sell the Rolls to help pay for the 911's. Am I flipping the Rolls - yes. Am I a crook - absolutely not !
There are lots of crooked guys privately selling Porsches - lets expose them. If a dealer is crooked lets expose them. If a dealer is a fair and honest businessman - let see if he has any nice 911's for sale , maybe I'll buy one !!!

[christiandk]

[brianvb]

I see carparcUSA has 2 cars for sale . They builds serious long hoods for large cash. He's good for the industry, not bad.
So is CPR, and Singer. Why would you guys not want them here. These dealers are for real !

[ficke]

I hate getting ripped off by anybody not just flippers.
On the flip side a good deal is a good deal even if I bought from a flipper,
So I do not care about flippers and do not understand why any body would care.
If you do not just push cars into the fields to rot but resell a car you no longer want you could be a flipper??
This is all so confusing trying to understand what the problem is here

[dz-vintage]

christiandk
Good one.

[Arne2]

I honestly wonder if much of the flipper-hate is sour grapes. The flipper found a car that had room for extra profit if marketed well, and got there and bought it before the enthusiasts found it.

If you are making a living buying and selling cars, you need to be willing to move fast when a profitable opportunity arises, and you need to be good at finding them. BHCC is an example - they find a possible bargain, they jump. Most of the rest of us want to spend a little time deciding whether it's a car we can live with, and so we miss out on the best bargains. And that, I suspect, is where much of the flipper-hate comes from.

[WANNA930]

Not sure why you feel I owe you an explanation about anything? I have no idea what you are talking about in regards to editing? I had a spelling error that I corrected. The tax post came up when someone asked me a question after Wayne Carini made a comment about paying taxes.

I have had more cars then I can count and have NEVER ripped anyone off. Anybody who has done business with me will tell you that so stop your assumptions. Does that mean I pay over what a car is worth? Does that mean because the guy at my door gives me a sob story I sell the car under value? NO and NO. If you think you are saving the Porsche world by selling a car under value, well go for it.

I have bought about 5 cars off of here and sold about 2 or 3 on here. All sold for more then I bough them for. Does that drive you nuts? I am a savvy collector and love cars. You are 100% correct at the moment I do not have a Porsche and it is not for a lack of trying. Look at some of my posts.

If anybody on here has done business with me and has felt ripped off go ahead and post your issue, I am that sure that I have NEVER had a problem with an auto related transaction including 160 EBAY transactions.

Go ahead and police whatever you feel needs policing

By the way when I sold my 77 930 I had about 80 plus replies all offering me more money then the 2nd person to reply paid. They all told me to cancel the transaction due to buyer being out of USA. I kept my end losing about an addition $500 in helping the buyer out. Don't call someone out unless you know the person. I will leave all the spelling errors in so I am not accused of anything. That car is now with 10x's what it was sold for so if new owner sells does he sell for what he bought it for???

[Bow]

Hi good to meet you all, I've silently read many posts here and really appreciate how people spend incredible amounts of time helping folks out with their Porsche issues.

My father was exotic car wholesaler here in So Cal for 40 years. I grew up driving 911's, 928's, 944's and delivered them all of the country for my father in the 80's while attending college. Now putting my son through college I'm looking for a way to help with those checks. I've flipped a few cars and having fun in the business I grew up in. There's always a scammer and mis-repped car but most Porsche people I've met online have been awesome. I'm going to avoid the devil's the side of this thread. Best of luck to all of you whether your buying, selling, restoring or just *****ing about it!

Cheers, Bryan

Current: Black 1987 930 505, Rose Red 1972 911T Targa
ex: 73' 914, 84' Targa, 81 Coupe, Red 1988 930 505, 1988 930 505

[Kevin911sc]

Not sure why everyone is so offended by the concept of a list...letting people decide if they are dealing with a pro or a little fish.

And none of you that replied are the problem... clearly you are all honest, and the fact you replied to this post at all say you are active members here.

[Ferrariguyma]

Originally Posted by WANNA930

You guys and gals just can't leave the flipper deal alone. This imaginary hate that consumes some people in regards to every car that is supposedly flipped is just plain ridiculous.

First there is a difference between someone who rips someone off by mis representing a car and one who resells for a profit.

When you sell your car you sell it for an amount you feel comfortable with nobody is coming there and hypnotizing you into a lower sale price.

When you buy a car you are the one that feels comfortable with the amount you are paying.

Explain what is wrong with that??? How about a list of people who rip someone off or misrepresent a car. Reselling a car is not the same thing. Believe it or not but EVERY product you buy is resold. WHO CARES!! Wrong price, move on.

The reason people are so mad is they are not getting the same amount for their cars as the dealers and that is what drives them nuts. If the dealers were flipping under market price you wouldn't say a word.

This is the USA, I love money and I will sell anything that makes me more of it and can care less if I am titled as a so called flipper. The same reason I work every day, to make more money. When I sell a car am I supposed to actually take into account how much I bought it for and disregard market pricing at that time? It is just such a dumb premise that I can't understand why anybody who isn't in the market monitors sales so closely?

I do not understand the Flipper Hate on this site.... sour grapes

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by Arne2

I honestly wonder if much of the flipper-hate is sour grapes. The flipper found a car that had room for extra profit if marketed well, and got there and bought it before the enthusiasts found it.

If you are making a living buying and selling cars, you need to be willing to move fast when a profitable opportunity arises, and you need to be good at finding them. BHCC is an example - they find a possible bargain, they jump. Most of the rest of us want to spend a little time deciding whether it's a car we can live with, and so we miss out on the best bargains. And that, I suspect, is where much of the flipper-hate comes from.

This topic is like a seasonal cold. Keeps coming back every few years.

Arne2 is reflecting my observations as a broker (Porsche pimp). The imagined end-user enthusiast is often 1. unprepared to act, 2. looking at multiple cars and dithering, 3. dependent on permission from the wife, 4. distant.

Do I, acting in the best interests of my seller, wait for the 'iffy' buyer to jump through his hoops and pull the trigger, or do I sell to the buyer who is prepared and decisive?

[Matt Monson]

I've done business with WANNA930 and was fully satisfied with the transaction. I had full knowledge of who he is, he had what I wanted, and we made a deal. The end.

[Kevin911sc]

Originally Posted by Kevin911sc

Not sure why everyone is so offended by the concept of a list...letting people decide if they are dealing with a pro or a little fish.

And none of you that replied are the problem... clearly you are all honest, and the fact you replied to this post at all say you are active members here.

No one is saying flipping or selling for profit is wrong!!! Just that it is nice to know if you are dealing with a pro or an actual father/son looking for their first project car,

Below is the dishonest tactics...hopefully everyone will start reading the posts and not just blindly say..whys everyone hate flippers...sour grapes. It really adds nothing to the discussion.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-marketplace-discussion/846040-youch-flipper-nasty-gram-san-antonio-cl.html

[Matt Monson]

The labeling thing puts an undue burden on Wayne and his moderators. Or requires openness about who you are in the way that TW and Wanna930 already do.

Anytime I am interested in something I start reviewing the person's post history. You can learn a lot that way. It's due diligence. I don't find the idea of labeling offensive. I just find it logistically unfeasible.

[Jcslocum]

I have 99 problems and Porsche flippers are not one of them.

The folks that get "taken" in these deals are not coming here looking for a list of bad sellers....

Just look at the guys that STILL get ripped by the WTB posts and the clowns overseas that take their money. That has been posted about a gazillion times and it still happens. Fools and their money.....