BAT Auction: 1982SC Coupe, 67k

[COLB]

67k-Mile 1982 Porsche 911SC Coupe | Bring a Trailer

Silver with blue interior.



Low miles, but coming out of long-term storage, and needs a lot to be driveable: brakes were serviced, but tires are 20 years old, no mention of replacement of age-affected gaskets, sensors, or fuel lines. It is leaking from a lot of places you would expect of a seldom driven car.

Interior and exterior are driver-quality: non-stock Turbo tail on rear lid, heavy rock chipping on hood, worn seats, non-functioning A/C, etc.

Sitting at $25k after one day -- and with 6 days left.

Will be interesting to see where this one goes. Given the early movement, it is hard to not see it crossing $30k. Probably needs at least $5k to get it truly sorted for driving. A lot more to get it to a #2 or even a #3 car.

[CountD]

"The seller has the 1992 receipt for the tires that are still on the car, which were fitted when the car had 47,820 miles. Tires have good tread but are a little hard and could benefit from replacement."

That's rich. Yes I suspect so.

Other than that, I love the classic color and the interior. As always the future owner could remove the tail and sell that for tire money.

Was my dream car and dream color when growing up. Still is.

[blau911]

The car looks nice, but any person who is willing to go to $30k for this car should budget a complete repaint ($5-10k depending on how far you want to go), at least $3-5k for mechanical work to put the car in good running order again, and another $1,500-$2,000 for having the front seats redone and a decent set of tires. When the car is done, it will be a very nice driver. But the owner will be all in at $50k. It will be a money maker for the seller, but certainly not for the buyer...

[Nachtfalter]

Great color. Seat looks like more than miles indicated but that might just be the color wearing poorly. I'm guessing low 30's for this. Low unused miles are a little scary, one poster stated as much.

[CountD]

Originally Posted by blau911

When the car is done, it will be a very nice driver. But the owner will be all in at $50k. It will be a money maker for the seller, but certainly not for the buyer...

Money goes, goes, goes. Especially with these cars. All in at $50K? Now that seems right. Your probably right, as the CIS will need to be done, most seals, tensioners, gas lines (all). The buyer could live with the paint, but the tires HAVE to be done, along with brakes (lines, etc), general updates. Amazing how fast money goes. They are now $50K cars.

[911SauCy]

The underside and inside of my 78 with 176k on the clock are much more clean and definitely less "lubricated"...

I love watching these things sell

[blau911]

Originally Posted by CountD

Money goes, goes, goes. Especially with these cars. All in at $50K? Now that seems right. Your probably right, as the CIS will need to be done, most seals, tensioners, gas lines (all). The buyer could live with the paint, but the tires HAVE to be done, along with brakes (lines, etc), general updates. Amazing how fast money goes. They are now $50K cars.

Are they? Are we there yet? If so, then what is a 3.2 Carrera worth in the current market? At $50k the other option would be to buy a nice 993....

[Matt Monson]

I could be reading it wrong but I think he's saying price to own. My 3.2 has +\-110k mi on now. The gearbox and engine are somewhere out there on the service spectrum. So is it a $35k car with $15k in pending work or a $50k car if I service and sell?

To me the point is it isn't all speculation and profit seeking. There is a real piece of cost of ownership in current values.

[COLB]

#1 SCs (if such a thing exists) may be $50k+ cars -- especially if rare/cool period colors, but I think #3 SCs are now $35k cars.

At $25k this car is a decent buy. At $30k, you are probably over paying for the low mileage on the odometer.

I doubt it demands a full re-spray unless you are going to make a it a show car -- you could probably get away with the hood, the right fender, and the major scratches. Maybe the rear deck if you choose to remove the spoiler.

People say that blending silver is difficult, but if the paint is not faded, it makes that an easier chore. I suspect you could get away with a couple grand if you do the prep work. Ed seems to make it work on Wheeler Dealers.

Would be interested in thoughts from experienced body work/paint dudes. Maybe you need a friend with a paint booth to make it financially feasible.

[rustygreg]

Originally Posted by CountD

"The seller has the 1992 receipt for the tires that are still on the car, which were fitted when the car had 47,820 miles. Tires have good tread but are a little hard and could benefit from replacement."

That's rich. Yes I suspect so.

A bad turn of a word from the BAT editor. In the conversation/comments thread, the seller makes it pretty clear that the tires are there to lend provenance to the actual miles on the clock.

The BAT auctions are really fun to watch.

[Nachtfalter]

Touching the interior or the paint would be a huge mistake. Neither look bad at all. I would freshen up the rubber lines and change the tires and leave it. Hell, a good color sand and buff would make it look really nice.... It needs to go to a good mechanic for an honest change of all things necessary and probably little else. Neat car for sure.

[blau911]

I owned an 83 911SC targa with exactly this color dark blue interior. The interior condition was also similar to this one, but my dash was warped. In fact, my front seats were worse than this. Redoing these seats in leather will cost $1200-1500. And the leather color will still be off from the rest of the original leather color. A good upholsterer can probably get close though. I ended up getting really lucky and found a local guy selling the exact color and year seats for my car, but in much better condition for $400. I pulled the old ones out and dropped in the new ones, and the interior had a perfectly balanced patina. Pure luck....
These seats can be made nicer, but there is nothing you can do about the deep scratches. In addition, letting leather sit that long without intermittent care and maintenance, will mean that the leather has dried out and will be very brittle. Of course, the seats are still usable as a driver, but they will be much more prone to tearing at the seems. With the rest of the interior so nice, it would drive me nuts looking at those seats every time I open the door to get in. And I expect it would bother most other people looking to buy a nice 911SC and willing to spend this kind of money to get a nice one.
As for buffing the car paint out, sure that may help for most of the minor scratches. But the scratches on both fenders and the dents and deep gouges on the passenger front fender next to the headlight will need to be stripped and repainted. No way around that. And trying to color match silver metallic paint on a 33 year old car will be next to impossible. These are the realities of the car and the issues which the buyer will be dealing with once the car is purchased. Again, just my opinion. But for having to deal with these types of costly problems (and all of the other potential mechanical issues), I believe the car is overpriced at anything close to $30k. Of course, others have their own opinions, and if I were crazy about the color combination, I expect I would be more forgiving and flexible....
PS I am also suspicious of any car whose maintenance booklets are partially filled in with hand written notes rather than dealer or professional mechanic shop stamps. The car is supposed to be an original 74k mile car. That should be fully and professionally documented, and as one post mentioned above, the seats look pretty worn for a 74k mile car.

[christiandk]

That engine and tranny needs a good cleaning and many seals/gaskets - Looks nasty, imo!

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by blau911

Are they? Are we there yet? If so, then what is a 3.2 Carrera worth in the current market? At $50k the other option would be to buy a nice 993....

That's one reason I spent in the low $40s for a 996 Turbo. The market's a bit out of balance...

[techweenie]

Yesterday I was asked to appraise an 83 SC Targa in immaculate condition - flawless platinum (re) paint, fresh looking interior, <9K on rebuilt engine. I'm thinking $32.5K. But in this market, I just don't know...

[r-mm]

I love the non black non tan interiors, especially on a neutral exterior, but am I the only one who things Porsche vinyl ages poorly? The pics of the interior on this car probably reinforce a lot of negative stereotypes about loud chintzy color combos and lead to the proliferation of dullness we see ordered on new cars.

What type of premium does full leather command?

[techweenie]

I haven't seen a premium for full leather - usually because the dash has distorted with the leather shrinking.

BTW, I have a full leather Gray Beige SC interior I've been asked to sell... :-)

[COLB]

I am personally partial to the burgundy and blue interiors. Burgundy in particular seems to age better than most.

I also like gray but it seems to get dingy and yellow easily.

Brown is sweet in the right color scheme -- but the vinyl definitely ages badly.

[COLB]

Bidding on this just jumped from $28.5k up to $35k with one day left in the auction.

Consensus here seemed to be that $30k was the "right" number give the condition needs.

$35k is definitely a retail number, and the owner would need another $10k+ to get this to a solid#3.

I would be surprised if there is another bid -- but may be some folks putting a lot of value (too much) on the relatively "low" mileage reported.

[kundensport]

this will be an interesting sell. the condition aint that great, but i also believe the high selling price is due to the mileage, not the condition.
SCs are coming strong. i like it………..