Since when is a 74 911 a 71"S"?

[brock911]

Why advertise a 74 911 as a 71 "S"?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/870097-1971-porsche-911-s.html

I don't understand this line of thinking, don't be ashamed of what it is, be proud of what you created but call it what it is.

Mike

[Matt Monson]

Saw that ad. Looks like a really nice car but just way too much syrup and fluff in the description. He's reaching on the price, IMO.

[christiandk]

Looks very nice - but still a "fake" - You can get a good T for that price or a very very very nice 74 - I would have fixed the rubber seal in the engine compartement before the pic.

[2ndTARGA]

I don't understand the motivation. I don't know what genuine 71 S's were selling for 4 years ago, but given the huge amount of $ that went into this backdate, I'm wondering if he couldn't have had the real thing instead.

I can understand some classic car backdates to get the classic look while retaining modern features like A/C, fuel injection, etc. Singer being the most extreme example, but that's not what this is.

[Reddy Kilowatt]

Maybe his target buyer is a freaking idiot?

[dienstuhr]

I thought, "why '71?" I mean, LWB longhoods S's pretty much all look the same, don't they? (except '72s of course)

I could see him calling the car a "backdated longhood S" I guess, but why a '71 in particular? As others have noted, it's too bad that this wasn't kept as a nice '74.

Cheers

d.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by dienstuhr

I thought, "why '71?" I mean, LWB longhoods S's pretty much all look the same, don't they? (except '72s of course)

I could see him calling the car a "backdated longhood S" I guess, but why a '71 in particular? As others have noted, it's too bad that this wasn't kept as a nice '74.

Cheers

d.

I was guessing he took the seats and dash and other trim parts from an actual '71 donor car. Probably a T with S trim, but possibly an actual '71. I agree it is a little weird.

[copbait73]

I don't recall the spoiler front bumper coming along in '71. So is this an updated backdated S that also just happens to have an updated backdated engine without S specs? So other than putting a 911 S script on the glovebox, what is S??...........inquiring minds want to know.

[Matt Monson]

I thought that S front bumper was 70&71.

[copbait73]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I thought that S front bumper was 70&71.

I recall '72-'73

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by copbait73

I recall '72-'73

Just checked the Redbook. You are correct.

[techweenie]

Guys, guys. T Fabs is a broker. Typically, brokers just pass along the info the owner gives them.

Had the listing said "73 S," it might have been a better approximation.

If I were brokering it, I'd have just called it "backdated" without naming a number or model. But then, people wouldn't be talking so much about it.

[Macroni]

I agree it is a 1974…… not a S……

what makes the S is the 2.2MFI motor coupled to a 901 transmission in a lightweight body built by the factory……

Built for the owner of a fake Rolex watch……...

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Guys, guys. T Fabs is a broker. Typically, brokers just pass along the info the owner gives them.

Had the listing said "73 S," it might have been a better approximation.

If I were brokering it, I'd have just called it "backdated" without naming a number or model. But then, people wouldn't be talking so much about it.

But mirror, horn grills and deck grill are wrong for a '73. Just playing. It's actually a nice car, IMO.

[copbait73]

It's an attractive car,. An impulse buyer may pay half what he wants.
Never understood how people collect up all the invoices they paid out for overpriced shops then expect to find someone to pay for their foolishness.
For this same reason many of the really nice cars going over the blocks at Barrett Jackson are bid high, still the owner just lost half what he had in the car.

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by Macroni

I agree it is a 1974…… not a S……

what makes the S is the 2.2MFI motor coupled to a 901 transmission in a lightweight body built by the factory……

Built for the owner of a fake Rolex watch……...

Good one!

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by techweenie

I'd have just called it "backdated"

Agree.

[brock911]

Most of us who have restored or even refreshed cars understand the blackhole that is often created.

A project such as this one done well would be an expensive proposition. When we do it for ourselves we lose sight of the financial cost especially when done over a long period of time.

I like this car, always appreciated the effort required to backdate to a long hood, and I also agree that referring to it as a backdate would make more sense.

The ask is high in my opinion but ask what you want the market will respond accordingly.

Have a great weekend guys enjoy your ride.
Mike

[G450X]

It's a real 911 and he's not trying to say it's a true "born on this date," LWB 911S. I don't get all the crap people dish out on backdates.

Not everyone is a millionaire and can dump $200k on a car they'll never drive that sits in a corner of a garage with twenty (or 50?) other cars that the owner treats like some stock fund. I find it humorous that many well to do early 911 owners even care. It's not a fake Rolex, it's a real 911. Speaking of Rolex, I actually was silly enough to buy a new one in the '80's and that was one of the worst mechanical watches I ever owned. I sold it for more than I paid for it after a few years and never looked back. A fake may have been a better timepiece in my case!

I bet the owner will have much more fun with this than a real one, plus it will probably be faster, and will handle and brake better. This is not a VW kit car with a 911 body, it's a 911 folks.

I am saving for a backdate on my high mile '82 SC. I want a '73 Carrera RS (minus the front bumper, never grew to like it), but I can't afford a real one - not too many people can. I admire the people who have these and actually drive and/or race them, and disdain for those who toss them in the corner and never drive them for "investment purposes."

Well done backdates are real 911's that can be enjoyed and used as Ferdinand and Ferry intended. The fact that the basic chassis is virtually the same from '69 to '89 is a wonderful part of early 911's...

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by G450X

It's a real 911...

Sorry a 74 is a totally different driving experience than a 2.2L MFI 911S. While it is a 911.... it is a fake LWB S... just like a fake rolex is a watch.... it too is a fake.....

IMO the heart of a 911 is its engine and when those cams the difference becomes apparent ......

I do agree with you that the current state of the early car market has made them for the most part un-drivable...... There is a restoration going on now and as I watch it all I can think is the owner is restoring it into rolling lawn art......