Is this indicative of mid-year values or a highly optmistic ask
 

I can't help but think that $10k for this project is pretty optimistic.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/878094-74-non-sunroof-coupe-total-project-needs-full-restore.html

But I guess it is a '74, which *could* command a premium over other middies.

I'm curious because of my 75 targa. I always considered my car a running "parts" car as I don't think even the most committed middie fanatic would attempt restore it to original. For me, its enough to be driving it on nice days, fixing small things and having fun.

But - and I know that a car is only worth what someone will pay - if middies like the one I've linked to in non-running condition are fetching $10k, then it seems as though Armageddon is nigh and even the most humble of middies may have a future.

Very optimistic . And did you read the follow-on comment?

MattR

Middies have come into their own, in many instances equaling SCs in price. While I think that project car a reach the color may get someone's attention and they might go for it. Happened to me recently and a 74 coupe that spent the last 20 years dressed up as a black slantnose is being painted original gulf blue thus week with normal bumpers back on the car.

It's been a few years since I've seen your car in person but I'm pretty confident that if you ever decided to list it you would get low to mid 20s for it today.

Can anyone explain why a 74 middie will be more money than a last year 77 with a fully galvanized body? Basically same car plus rust protection.

If the mentioned car was a 77 same condition will be more or less?

I remember when everyone told me to run from middies because they rust like an old car and the 2.7 will leak and not last. They were the cheapest 911 to get in.

Just to add to this middie conversation,

Smog laws. '75 and under = no smog needed in CA.

Or Colorado. Or a number of other states.

77 had thermal reactors and a smog pump. 74 still had chrome brightwork and early style heat exchangers. The wing windows also open and no flag mirrors. It's the first of the G series cars and many things were transitional from the early cars.

The bad rap of the 2.7 was overblown by Bruce Anderson. US S at 175hp versus 180 for most SCs. Rebuild a 2.7 with case mods and it's a solid little engine. If you is a 76 or 77 and don't have to keep the thermal reactors you can get the head temps down.

They all rust. Just look around and you will see rusty SCs and Carreras. There's a thread I linked recently. Galvanization started much earlier than the internet usually claims. The big tipping point always listed is when the whole thing became galvinized. Prior to that significant portions of the cars were galvinized back way before the mid 70s.

As for the seller's attitude problem? Yeah, I would look elsewhere. Just his wonderful demeanor will keep away most potential buyers.

+1 on the attitude comment.

This was a few months ago but probably a lot more realistic price + much better condition.

1974 Porsche 911S Black on Black Coupe - no sunroof - 911 S low miles

Dude really thinks $9k is an insulting offer on a rusted out, clapped out, engine-seized car he is pricing at $10.5k?

$9k strikes me as a very reasonable offer for a car in that condition.

Crap, but people buy lemons and turn them into lemonade.

Betting it's worth $10K to somebody. If the VIN is 91144XXXX, it's going to find a home sooner than later.

Maaaaaybe! But I doubt it. My car is a mess. Terrible respray in non-original color, some rust, 2,2 carb'd engine. It's not a rat rod, just a rat.

Anyhow thanks for the insights, all.

It's definitely interesting seeing what people are listing some of these cars for.

Looks like that 74 project has been sold to someone.

I think as long as all the parts are there , it's a base for a nice restoration. Low starting price. Why pay 25k for an imperfect car that you end up restoring. This car leaves some nice budget room for restoration costs. There is a "free" 15 k available to undertake restoration .

You make a good point. I don't claim to be an expert on these cars or their values. But a nice restored example of a middie is probably worth $20k +/- in the current market, so there you go.

I nice restored middie is worth $35-40K in the current market. Drivers are now $25k all day long.

Well, I'll certainly defer to your expertise on this point.

Not sure my "driver" is worth that, as it's pretty funky. But who cares, I'm still enjoying fooling around with it so the value for me is in the experience and fun of ownership.

I haven't been to a C&C in a while but when you've gotten your car finished I hope to see it in person at one of those.

Good luck with your project and as always, thanks for your knowledge and insights. SmileWavy

It was, it has been sold, for the asking price:D
Maybe I'll list "Crusty" :D
A package deal with the 73 914 project & the trailer they are sitting on:cool:http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1439239127.jpg
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I bought it for the coupe, color and the year . We will enjoy restoring it and have a nice car in the end. We won't make a dime cause we're not sellers. But we will definitely enjoy the process .
Orange coupe = yum yum
Thanks Mike

When Crusty sells for top dollar, is that the top of the market ?

Thats the Apocalypse!

MattR

That car will have provenance since it was sold and not a trade. That will be a more interesting sales history than my 67 912 that came out of the Wyoming collection...

Matt. The follow up comment was geared to catch the eye of the idiot who jerked me for half a day saying he was sending funds and was a committed buyer at the agreed
to come back and offer a fraction of an already agreed on price. I believe he was same guy who posted in marketplace last month wanting to buy any Porsche regardless of condition. Didn't mean to offend anyone. Just save time and eliminate the cheesy low ballers and resellers. Did that by the price but seriously, think about what the car is worth in parts alone. The core motor,? Trans is worth 1200 as a core, rebuilt a lot more, roller alone is worth 5 - 8k on eBay. The buyer is a great guy who will get er done. When finished it'll be a gem. Thx Brian and can't wait to see it brought back from the brink!! Cheers. Mark

Sounds like the same travelling A-hole who wanted to buy a 3 of my 911s, kept leaving notes on one of them, when he caught me in my driveway, and saw that I had a few more 911s, asked me what it would take to sell them, and them I told him that I had a few more at another location, he kept on. We agreed on a price for what I was willing to sell, shook on it & he left. Nothing for a few days, then his son calls, and comes over, course he tries to offer me less, saying "dad" said it was $XXX, and I said, yes he did, but I told him no, and if he wanted he would pay the agreed on price. He agreed and said he would be back in a few days, never heard from them again.

Thanks for clarifying. Glad you were able to get her sold!

MattR

Hey BVD-

Is this crusty older sibling? It's on JAX CL...



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LOL, that isn't the only city that is listed in:p

From the trees and lack of pines, doesn't look like FL. But I do know where a few like that are sitting on a friends property.
And you don't want to know what this RSR sold for years ago.


















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And yes, that was really a factory RSR:cool:

I was just going to start a thread about this car. It's my daily driver and it feels like it's stuck in gear after a few ft. Feels like it's got a chain attached or holding it back. Any ideas how to fix this? M

Oh yeah. There's a rather large breeze blowing through car. I'll get it sorted.

What is funny, is that it is listed that it is located 5 miles from my house, LOL.
I sent a note saying that I'm local, have saw & trailer and am interested, be interesting if I get a response. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1439301809.jpg

Here's an example at the other end of the spectrum. Not a Carrera. Just a 911 targa.
TheSamba.com :: VW Classifieds - Awesome All Original 75' 911S Targa - Survivor