Pimpin my boys....

[Macroni]

Two very nice SWB hot rods on the market both IMO priced to sell.....

Reza's 68L hotrod w/ a 2.2LS motor
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/876909-fs-1968-porsche-911-sport-purpose-video.html

Speedo's 66 912 2.7L R replica
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/877063-1966-911-r-replica-fs.html



If you want a hotrod.......... here they are..... and YES I am Pimpin my boys......

[Matt Monson]

I saw the 68 video making the rounds on fb earlier this week. Great car.

I got to see Axel, Lars' car from day one as a rusty 912 on a trailer in his yard all the way through the process. I couldn't believe the progress he would make in 3-4 months between my visits. His skills are impressive for a shadetree. I would buy his car over the 68. I don't see the value added. Esposito, Tony, etc are craftsman. You are paying a markup for their work and their names. But for my modest needs Axel is good enough. And I could buy a 99699th with the spare change.

[christiandk]

That 68 is pretty sweet looking.

[Macroni]

I think Lars' is a value @ $69,000 priced for a flip..... Reza's given the 2.2MFI S motor and the SWB.... today's market for MFI Ss...... very reasonable..... Drove Reza's a number of times very strong motor........

[TH_DUDE]

I'm falling in love with that '66.

[Matt Monson]

Price just went down. I don't think he wants to put it in winter storage this year.

It screams. I've ridden in it. It is a well done car.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Price just went down. I don't think he wants to put it in winter storage this year.

It screams. I've ridden in it. It is a well done car.

I agree, I would love to have that car, but have more than enough on my plate right now.

[Macroni]

if I were to get back in the early hot rod game it is the way to go....

[ficke]

This is the way to have a hot rod, buy someone else's and then make it your own.

[JordanPryce]

Originally Posted by ficke

This is the way to have a hot rod, buy someone else's and then make it your own.

Maybe financially it's a benefit, but it certainly doesn't bring you to R-Gruppe status buying someone else's custom. It's kinda like showing up on the construction site with someone else's well worn tools when you've never swung a hammer.

[ficke]

Originally Posted by JordanPryce

Maybe financially it's a benefit, but it certainly doesn't bring you to R-Gruppe status buying someone else's custom. It's kinda like showing up on the construction site with someone else's well worn tools when you've never swung a hammer.

Funny, I think a lot of people pay someone to swing the hammer and talk like they have done it. I have met a quite a few in R-Grouppe and elsewhere like that.
People who have been there and done that, know how to buy, and the school of hard knocks teaches those who are able to learn to buy right.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by JordanPryce

Maybe financially it's a benefit, but it certainly doesn't bring you to R-Gruppe status buying someone else's custom. It's kinda like showing up on the construction site with someone else's well worn tools when you've never swung a hammer.

I would neither buy nor build a hot rod for status...

And a ton of the R-Gruppe guys check booked their cars, even Jack Olsen. Jack absolutely had a lot if the ideas that brought his car to fruition but a lot of the heavy lifting of wrenches was done by others. And there's no shame in that.

One of these cars was check booked. The other was done in a home garage. Lars does great work but there's really no comparison.

[JordanPryce]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I would neither buy nor build a hot rod for status...

Yeah, I think that's my point. Whether you build it yourself or sign the check, it's enjoyable to have a vision for a car and see it through to completion. I suppose that mostly holds true for those of us with our own strong design aesthetic.

I can however see all of the reasons why buying someone else's vision would also be interesting (especially in buying something with a history and some vintage) and both of these cars have some nice detailing. Buying turnkey could be really appealing if you can resist the desire to take them apart and add your personal imprint on the design.

[ficke]

Originally Posted by JordanPryce

Maybe financially it's a benefit, but it certainly doesn't bring you to R-Gruppe status

I really agree with Matt's next comment, which is polar opposite to what you just said.

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I would neither buy nor build a hot rod for status...

But you say next "I think that's my point" ??

Originally Posted by JordanPryce

Yeah, I think that's my point. Whether you build it yourself or sign the check, Here you are write it's enjoyable to have a vision for a car and see it through to completion. I suppose that mostly holds true for those of us with our own strong design aesthetic.
then you write Buying turnkey could be really appealing if you can resist the desire to take them apart and add your personal imprint on the design.

I am not following your thinking here at all, why would it be important to not modify a car and add your personal touch? Is that not what you just said?

[Matt Monson]

The reason for buying someone else's hot rod is the heavy lifting is all done and there's usually a discount over what it would take to build it. So if you don't like the wheels, seats, turn signals, headlights or mirrors you just change them.

Now if you want a 2.2l S spec engine and the car has a 3.2l swap in it, then it might now be the car for you.

[ficke]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

The reason for buying someone else's hot rod is the heavy lifting is all done and there's usually a discount over what it would take to build it. So if you don't like the wheels, seats, turn signals, headlights or mirrors you just change them.

Now if you want a 2.2l S spec engine and the car has a 3.2l swap in it, then it might now be the car for you.

Yup,

[JordanPryce]

Sorry, I just quoted a snippet rather than the whole email. I'll explain better:

a ton of the R-Gruppe guys check booked their cars, even Jack Olsen. Jack absolutely had a lot if the ideas that brought his car to fruition but a lot of the heavy lifting of wrenches was done by others. And there's no shame in that.

I was agreeing that whether you build or pay someone to build, it's your own sense of the desired result and involvement in the project that most enthusiasts enjoy, myself included.

why would it be important to not modify a car and add your personal touch? Is that not what you just said?

It's counter intuitive to me (not to mention costly) to buy a car someone else envisioned, if you intend to take it apart and remake it. Some people prefer to buy and drive and not modify and tinker. A turnkey "redesigned" car would be great for them. It's just not for me. If the car was a period hot rod, or incomplete, or a steal of a deal, I'd be into it I suppose. I guess I'm just a wrench at heart.

I would neither buy nor build a hot rod for status...

I could care less about status. When I said that buying someone else's build doesn't bring you status, I simply meant that a buyer might believe that this 'thing' makes them part of an elite club of hot rod owners/builders, but simply buying a turnkey car doesn't take the place of the enjoyment of building one and sharing ideas, challenges, broken knuckle stories with other like minded people.

[Matt Monson]

So you would discourage people from buying your Clubsport unless you take it back to stock?

[mooty]

R Grupe is not a status.
it's an enthusiast group.
if u think its a status thing, u are missing the point.
to build or to buy is irrelevant, as long as understsnd the history and the culture of the car, era, etc etc. simply bc one have the time or he inclination to BUKLD something from scratch doesn't mean he's any superior than someone else. friend is a nasa engineer and find car bundling is little to uninspiring with too few problems to solve. I dot. see how his bought 911 implies lanything less or he being any less capable?!

[JordanPryce]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

So you would discourage people from buying your Clubsport unless you take it back to stock?

I don't remember discouraging anyone from buying anything. I'm commenting in the spirit of the forum.