This Euro 3.2 BAT auction seems well bought.

Elombard · 10-03-2015, 06:47 AM

Euro 1984 Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe | Bring a Trailer

I was expecting this to go into the 50s. Cant believe the owner did not know if it had a LSD or not....

Also did not realize the euro cars had a taller final drive. Was the R&P different or just the 5th gear?

I apologize if this car has posts here already I did not see any.

Only down side...it would be really hard to leave stock :-)

Farrell · 10-03-2015, 07:15 AM

That car is a beauty. You are correct, would be hard to leave stock, but boy is that clean!!

Nachtfalter · 10-03-2015, 10:45 AM

I watched that one, I own the same year and color combo.... mine is a bit more of a driver and a few mods (suspension and wheels). I thought it was going to break into the mid 40's for sure, seems like a cheap price and a nice car. It will probably show up again in the spring for 47k. ��

blau911 · 10:50 PM

Nachtfalter. Yours is very nice looking, but it is not a euro 3.2, like the BAT car.
As others have indicated, there is a significant difference in power between them. In the BAT car, a little less power, as that car was retro fitted with the ****ty Cat to help it pass US customs. It also weighed down with factory AC which adds even more weight AND takes away even more hp.

Many blabber on about the 3.2 G50 cars being the cars to buy. I disagree. The G50 cars are almost 50kg heavier than the 915. The other plus of the euro 3.2 is that it is equipped with the tranny oil cooler. One of the reasons that Porsche had to go with the G50 tranny was because of the heat generated in the tranny. And the tranny oil cooler was very expensive. Porsche simply went with the cheaper option - which also happened to be a better (more durable) designed tranny.
Look at the following graph below and see where the 3.2 Euro cars rank in terms of hp/weight. Yes, the 3.2 Carrera is equal to the 95-96 993 cars.

I have owned both, and the 3.2 Euro cars haul a$$ above 4k rpms, and I had mine at 240kph a few times on the Autobahn, and it is a beast when it's wound up.
The BAT car seems to be have been a good deal, but after the BAT commission and shipping, the car cost over $40k. Not exactly peanuts. Once you title it and pay state sales tax, then pay insurance costs on it, you are looking at being in it for around $43-44K.
"Flipping" it next year for $47k, would not exactly make for a big payday....

pmax · pmax's Garage

Nice chart, Blau. You have 3.2 Carrera US and Carrera 3.0 RS swapped though.

Reading the BAT car ad again, I find it interesting the transmission was rebuilt at such a low mileage given your comments on durability. Does the extra power make these more unreliable than the US version or perhaps the previous owner was a hamfisted speed shifter ?

blau911 · 03:32 AM

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Nice chart, Blau. You have 3.2 Carrera US and Carrera 3.0 RS swapped though.

Pmax,
You are wrong. Look again at the graph. The 3.0 RS Carrera is the blue triangle above the 250 line at 1974. It has no line. It is a one year only car, and therefore is a single blue triangle.
I am talking about the 911 Carrera (ROW) which is the green diamond line between 1984-85 on the chart. From 1986-89 it drops off - due to the extra weight of the G50. The 3.2 911 Carrera is the blue diamond line directly underneath the green diamond (3.2 Euro Carrera). Now look to the right at the timeline 1995-96. The red triangle line represents the 1995-96 993 C2. Now follow the line follow the 200 line across. Bingo...

Can't answer the question about the E-BAT car needing a new tranny after only 70k miles. Perhaps it just needed a clutch, but the mechanic needed to pay for his kids school tuition that week? It wouldn't be the first time....

whiterabbit · 04:50 AM

I already have a 1984 Euro and am looking for another. The 84 is also a good bit lighter than folllowing years.

As a data point this Euro 1984 is up for $62k and I was outbid on it recently by the dealer who paid over 45k for it:

Used 1984 Porsche 911 Carrera for Sale in Atlanta GA 30306 Motorcar Studio

Nachtfalter · 10-05-2015, 06:37 AM

Blau911, your data is impressive..... I have no idea what I'm looking at, but it's impressive.
I was referring to year and color, I am aware the BAT car was a European model. I wasn't even looking for mine, I just got suckered by the black on black, it's hypnotizing and I am weak. I bet if it BAT was a live auction and people were standing in front of it, it would have sold for more.

Rich Gas · 10-05-2015, 06:45 AM

Interesting, but the Bat car lists its rims as 16x 7-8... Don't think the rears are Fuch 16x8 911.

blau911 · 10-05-2015, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Nachtfalter

I bet if it BAT was a live auction and people were standing in front of it, it would have sold for more.

You are probably right. On the other hand, the seller only owned the car for a year or so. I wonder why he would sell it so quickly? It's a really enjoyable car to drive. Unfortunately they are now becoming too valuable to enjoy as daily drivers....

pmax · pmax's Garage

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Originally Posted by blau911

Pmax,
You are wrong. Look again at the graph....

Darn indoor lighting ! The colors show up better now under natural light.

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Can't answer the question about the E-BAT car needing a new tranny after only 70k miles. Perhaps it just needed a clutch, but the mechanic needed to pay for his kids school tuition that week? It wouldn't be the first time....

Yeah, Porsche added a cooler to handle the 5% increase in performance which means the 915 is bumping up to the upper limit of operating range. That's similar to what the SW chip does so SW owners should consider the same if they are using it in their 84-86 cars IMO.

blau911 · 10-05-2015, 09:38 AM

One of the things that hasn't come up about the 3.2 Euro Carrera yet is the gas needed. The minimum octane on the Euro 3.2 with 10:3.1 compression is 93RON. All german gas stations offer 93, 95 and 98 RON (and some offer 100), but how many pumps in California offer 93RON?

Nachtfalter · 10-05-2015, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by blau911

You are probably right. On the other hand, the seller only owned the car for a year or so. I wonder why he would sell it so quickly? It's a really enjoyable car to drive. Unfortunately they are now becoming too valuable to enjoy as daily drivers....

I'm pretty sure he bought it cheap, cleaned it up a bit, re-did the seats and cashed out. Fair enough.

whiterabbit · 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pmax

Darn indoor lighting ! The colors show up better now under natural light.

Yeah, Porsche added a cooler to handle the 5% increase in performance which means the 915 is bumping up to the upper limit of operating range. That's similar to what the SW chip does so SW owners should consider the same if they are using it in their 84-86 cars IMO.

Lots of cars in the UK and Germany running a lot more power thru 915's without issues. I think most problems are due to driver error in changing gear, riding the clutch etc. As for the cooler I thought it was fitted on ROW cars due to the fact that they are run harder/faster than US cars on the Autobahn etc, not due to power. On US roads I don't think many cars get used that hard and driven over 100mph for hours.

As for the SW chip it is not quite as effective on a ROW due to the standard chip already being more optimal, maybe 3-5hp from what I have seen.

Not sure about gas in CA, in GA at least I have had no problems running ROW's on premium. The AFM can also be easily adjusted to allow for lower grade fuel. I recall there are 5 settings.