1985 blue damaged in NY

[faverymi]

I'm interested in this car. It has no service or rebuild records around 130k miles. And a tree fell on it.
I like the color.
What do you guys think?
What do you price it at?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/887919-1985-porsche-911-coupe-blue-2-owner.html

[Rick Brooklyn]

I think the tree on the roof is kind of a big deal. Plus it hasn't run in two years. My view, you'd be better off buying an honest 3.2 driver and repainting it in the color you like.

[Norm K]

Understand that proper body work and quality paint could easily exceed the advertised price of the car. Some repair shops report to Carfax while others don't. Given this, the existing damage could have a considerably negative impact on the vehicle's future value depending on who effects the repairs (and/or on the integrity of the seller). Then of course there's the currently unknown mechanicals...

[NYNick]

There are some good buys out there and some that will make good drivers. This would get a look from me if I was looking, but the price is high. Norm is correct when he says the body work alone could exceed the price of the car....or not. I'm betting you could fix the body to hot rod/driver condition for $10k...this from just a few pix mind you. Then you get into the drivetrain.

I always look at these things for what it'll be worth when it's all over. Pay $12, fix body $10, motor and tranny? The mechanicals are the big question mark.


Where in NY? I'm 40 miles north of NYC.

[faverymi]

Forgot the town but it is between Albany and NYC.

The phone conversation was less than encouraging.

And I agree. With that damage plus unknown mechanicals the price should be adjusted.

What do you guys value this car at?

[NYNick]

$10k? $12k?

[911hutch]

At first glance it might appear an attractive buy but:...,,,Based on the seller's presentation it needs a roof (and it is a sunroof car), cowl, hood, headliner, dash cover and obviously front glass ...and then ready the whole car for a repaint ( one would think a total repaint would be in order and who knows whats under the "Blue" ) and paint it.....then fix the non-running issue which could require a cheap relay or a search and a more pricey fix....then a set of tires and a fix for the typical two year period of sitting brake issues......one can price it out pretty straightforwardly based on cost of parts and one's standard of repair.... that's what you know.... and then you have to respond to what you don't know......and then, if a factor in the equation, when one goes to sell a car that's had a roof replaced.....my take is that will have a substantial impact on the customer base for the car. I agree with the 10K to 12 k number. And the seller has a deposit from an oversea's customer for 16k pending owner securing a duplicate title. So much for my math.

[DeeJayOh]

Value= parts value. If you take it to a quality shop, there's at least $20k of body work, paint, and parts cost - before any engine work. If you have a buddy, or can do it yourself it will be less - but it likely still has a salvage title.

[faverymi]

Just to comment....

i did offered 10k in cash based on the condition of the car.

Taking it to a good reputable P-car body shop. New roof, hood, paint job would cost what you guys are guessing

Not a hack MACO job.

Glass out proper paint job is close to 10k. without considering hidden body work.

After that is done. I personally can deal with the unknown mechanics of a carrera with a 130k miles. Whatever that is.

If an overseas buyer is willing to pay more because the working wages and enviromentals requirements are lower. Then take the offer and run with the money.

So offering 10k in cash is not unrealistic nor I'm trying to steal a car.

As I learned through this years.... There is always another porsche.

[vintagecarlover]

Core engine 10k, 2k Trans, interior 2k, wheels 1500, suspension 2k, tub including all fenders doors hoods 2k, fuel tank tools harness glass lights ect 2k? 22k in parts. I'm sure Shawn tru 6 could do better job selling/ pricing and getting all the cheese.

[tom6284]

16500 is a real fair price. Some just way out of the loop!!! Amen

[timchar]

Originally Posted by tom6284

16500 is a real fair price. Some just way out of the loop!!! Amen

Reality can be a tough pill to swallow. Seems all who chimed in basically agree. (I guess you're all "out of the loop".) Let's just say 16.5 and at minimum 13.5 body and engine work, that's 30k. For 30k, we all know what we can get. Good luck, Tim

[ficke]

This car is not worth restoring, but as a parts car it is worth close to asking price. The seller would be foolish to take much less.

[timchar]

Originally Posted by ficke

This car is not worth restoring, but as a parts car it is worth close to asking price. The seller would be foolish to take much less.

Not everyone has the time nor energy to part an entire car. Apart I agree, he could get that price. As it sits, I honestly don't see it. Tim

[MattTHEpainter]

I was debating this car, does anyone know the price of a used roof section? I'd assume they can't be too prevalent.

[ficke]

Originally Posted by timchar

Not everyone has the time nor energy to part an entire car. Apart I agree, he could get that price. As it sits, I honestly don't see it. Tim

The seller should sell to someone who wants to make extra money parting it out or maybe someone who needs the parts for another project. Those people will pay his asking price, he just need to find that one person, not a bunch of people because he is only selling one car. If I was the seller I would hold out for 15K
I would think if anybody buys that car with the idea of putting it back together, they would be up side down even if they could get the car for 10k.
There still are cars like that available for 30-35K and it will take a minimum of 10k in paint and body work, then I would guess at lease 5k to sort the mechanics and the miscellaneous. Interior, another? Then you would have a car with a "story" hard sell. Losing proposition.
Sometime the most expensive car is the one you bought cheap.

[Flynt]

This car is for somebody who has the means and skill to do the work (at least, a majority of it - either body or mechanical), and knows that making it "perfect" is a losing proposition, at least in the short term.

I think it'd be perfect for a guy that had one back in the day, did his own work, but sold when they were cheap, trying to get back in and bummed on the fact that a "good" one is now 30k+. I have a friend like that, but he's local out here in San Diego and not into traveling for something like this.

If I hadn't just picked up an 85, I'd be looking into this one. I'd get one of those carbon roof skins somebody here makes (patch panel for the windshield frame), put some buckets in it, get it running and drive the dick off it. Not every Porsche is an investment.

As for pricing - Judging only based on description and a few photos, I think the price is just about right, maybe a little high.. Seller should get it running if he wants full ask.

[Norm K]

A significant savings could be realized by attaching a new roof with JB weld (rumor control says it wouldn't be the first time ...).

[faverymi]

I can port-0-ported and hammer this thing with harbor freight tools.
Fit a Chinese windshield
Throw some bondo and rattle can paint it .
total bill 1k. Satisfaction.... Priceless..
But ... Come on.... This car deserves better.