Porsche 930 SCAM alert

[a911ebayer930]

I found this 1987 930 on craigslist for $80k in Ohio seller name: John. In 2 minutes he had settled for $60K with a bank check sent to him. His phone #(856-209-0393 Camden NJ). Here are the emails send to and from him. Please review the photos.

From: jonnywinss@hotmail.com
To: a911ebayer930@aol.com

I will not take any more pictures for you. You sound like a ****in scammer. Just as I suspected. Dont ever contact me again.





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From: a911ebayer930@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:14 PM
To: jonnywinss@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: PICTURES

John,
I'm a very serious buyer. I do have a shipping company I can used to pick the car up. However, before we complete this transaction several documents and photos must be provided.
1) Photo of the engine number, if you aren't aware of this data location please let me know
2) Photo of the actual speedo mileage
3) The name of your shop mechanic
4) copy of the title to make sure you are rightful owner.
Please provide how long it will take to provide the above data.

Regards

In a message dated 2/12/2016 11:30:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jonnywinss@hotmail.com writes:
Yes. I also took it off because I believe you are serious about the car.

If you choose not to buy, I might keep the 930.

You failed to clarify shipping details.

Why don't we text instead.


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From: a911ebayer930@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 8:17 PM
To: jonnywinss@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: PICTURES

Just for clarification is the car for sale or not?

In a message dated 2/12/2016 11:14:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jonnywinss@hotmail.com writes:
The ad has been deleted. I've been thinking of keeping the 930.

The title is in my name.

The porsche has been taken back to the storage because of bad weather here so a picture of the engine number might not be possible.

Here's the ViN WP0JB0931HS050451 If you want run a carfax.








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From: a911ebayer930@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:46 PM
To: jonnywinss@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: PICTURES

Please resend my your car ads link. do you have a resent photo of the odometer? Is 43K on the body?

In a message dated 2/12/2016 10:26:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jonnywinss@hotmail.com writes:

Regards





These are pictures of the engine, trunk and dashboard. I also attached videos of the engine running and the car in motion.
I can get a quotation from the shipping company if you want me to handle shipping.

What's your address?




John.






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From: a911ebayer930@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 11:58 AM
To: John Tibbetts
Subject: Re: PICTURES

I send the dl. Did you received it?


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone


----- Reply message -----
From: "John Tibbetts" <jonnywinss@hotmail.com>
To: "a911ebayer930@aol.com
Subject: PICTURES
Date: Fri, Feb 12, 2016 12:55 PM


Please be patient. I'm quite busy. I'll send you pictures and videos I recorded yesterday.

I would also like to believe you are not taking me for a ride for my info. To be 100 percent sure, I'd like to see a picture of your Driver's License. If not I'm afraid I won't send anything. Please understand I want to be sure of who is interested in my car. I recorded that video yesterday for someone who claimed to have interest. Turned out to be false. Don't mean to be rude but I don't want to get screwed again.




Thanks,

John.

[2ndTARGA]

Something does seem hinky with this one....

Was recently on eBay priced at $135K. Seller has zero eBay feedback.

Porsche 930 Porsche 911 930 | eBay

[a911ebayer930]

Dear,
Pelican members, please read/beware of the below seller email cosmic4dust@gmail.com.


From: cosmic4dust@gmail.com
To: a911ebayer930@aol.com
Sent: 2/23/2016 11:41:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: 1985 Porsche 911 $20,200


Hello,

The car is in amazing condition with no scratches or dents. This car
runs and drives great. The engine runs perfect with zero issues. No
mechanical or electrical issues. Runs perfect. Perfectly smooth engine
and transmission. It has all the necessary documents (clean title in
hand, original bill of sale, user's manual, insurance etc). Everyone
tells you their car is like new, perfect condition, flawless, and then
you get a look at it, and wonder what planet they came from. You won't
be disappointed with this vehicle. No excuses, no apologies, just a
flawless car. You will absolutely adore the way this car looks and you
will love the way it enhances your garage Feel free to ask me any
questions and I will happily answer them as soon as possible. Where
are you located?

Lukas






HERE IS THE SECOND EMAIL

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:52 PM, a911ebayer930@aol.com <a911ebayer930@aol.com> wrote:
> What's the vin and location?
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
From: cosmic4dust@gmail.com
To: a911ebayer930@aol.com
Sent: 2/25/2016 4:49:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: Re: 1985 Porsche 911 $20,200


Hello,

Like I have told you , in my previous email, the car it's in perfect condition and in my opinion you won't be able to find a nicer car for this price. It is a 100% great car in EVERY way. I was thinking of a solution, how we can make the deal, given the present situation and the best mode how we can make the deal will be COD. CASH ON DELIVERY will be a convenient and an accessible solution for us. I will send the car to your home address COD ( CASH ON DELIVERY ) with the possibility of inspection. As you probably noticed, the price is rather low, and the reason I'm selling the car at this price is because I have to pay over 15.000 US$ for registration here in Netherlands. The car is here in my garage in Netherlands. At this moment, I can drive the car here because the insurance is still available , but when the insurance will expire, I can't drive it anymore here, and will be necessary to register it here. I can't spend over 15.000 US$ for registration and I think that the best solution is to sell it. The car is still registered in US with a clean title so in this mode , will be very simple to transfer the car to your name , at the local DMV. In this case you will not pay other taxes to import the car. I can send the car to your home address and the transport will take approximately 2 weeks. After you will receive the car, you will have another two days to inspect it. After the inspection period ends, the transport company will ask you if there are any issues with the car. If the car it's different than as I described, or you don't like it, you can refuse the transaction, and the car will be sent back to my address , on my expense. If everything it's ok and I'm sure it will be, you will be able to transfer your name in the title at your local DMV. I think, that this is the best mode, for you and for me , how we can make the deal , because in this mode , you have the opportunity , to see the car and verify the car BEFORE I receive my money for it... So that’s it ! This car needs a new owner. This is an incredibly enjoyable car to drive ... little sad as I write this... knowing it is leaving. I’ve enjoyed the privilege of ownership.

PLEASE SEND ME YOUR PHONE NUMBER SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE CAR.
Thanks and I am waiting for your reply!

Lukas

[Norm K]

Apparently between the time he posted the first set of pics and sent you the second set in an email, he decided to change the interior color and swap the 3.3 turbo for a 3.2 na.

Very industrious seller.

[2ndTARGA]

And he managed to get it all the way from the Netherlands to California (or is it vice versa?)

Odd that the price is the same in both ads however...

https://cars.yakaz.com/porsche-911-m491#lo=4&docid=0009p63bpjlnbm9s

[ItzaMe]

Yup... Scam 101

I was going to buy a similar 930 last year and the same BS story I have to sell it and it'll cost me more to register it blah blah blah. Talked to him in person on the phone even and all seemed legit till he asked for a deposit before shipping before he even sent me pic of title and other stuff. These guys need to be exposed..

[christiandk]

So he wiil send it from Holland to the US and take it back if the buyer sont aprove of its condition.

Contrary to the tax-situation in Denmark it does not cost much to register a car in Holland. Inspection, plates and EU lights. Thats about it.

This is plain stupid and a waste of time.

[Rick Brooklyn]

How can anyone fall for this kind of off brand bull****

[NYNick]

Remember PT Barnum Rick, even in the Porsche community.