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specialtyoneinc 09-08-2016 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Djs36345 (Post 9272900)
im not sure why everyone is lauding BAT as such a great thing for the seller. It looks as if cars are going for wholesale prices. Selling privately gets you more money in the end. Maybe for the less drama factor, sure.
It really depends on the car/auction. BAT is a pretty good gauge for classic/enthusiast German, Italian, & Japanese sport car markets. I rarely see wholesale deals on these type of cars. If anything BAT is the place to sell certain models (BMW 2002 etc...)

Djs36345 09-08-2016 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by artie_nash (Post 9272957)
Buyers are liars and sellers are too...In my opinion and experience anything you can do - everything else being equal - to neck down and reduce your exposure to the dreamers, freaks, flakes, floaters, scam artists, shill bidders, screamers and wannabes will increase the likelihood of a successful transaction...So many people have so many misconceptions about motor vehicles in general and the market reality in particular it's a wonder to me anything ever gets sold...Almost every legitimate commercial dealer in the United Sates reports the financial details of nearly every transaction to a handful of central data aggregators for the purpose of establishing and measuring the market...But the mounds of data generated are only as meaningful as the party interpreting same...After many years of buying and selling at practically every level of the marketplace I have concluded a successful vehicle transaction is a lot like settling a civil action: If both parties feel like they could have done a little bit better it was probably within the parameters of reality...Your mileage may vary...RTN/XXX/OOO

"Buyers are liars and sellers are too...In my opinion and experience anything you can do - everything else being equal - to neck down and reduce your exposure to the dreamers, freaks, flakes, floaters, scam artists, shill bidders, screamers and wannabes will increase the likelihood of a successful transaction"

How does one go about doing this???

sugarwood 09-09-2016 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Djs36345 (Post 9272900)
im not sure why everyone is lauding BAT as such a great thing for the seller. It looks as if cars are going for wholesale prices. Selling privately gets you more money in the end. Maybe for the less drama factor, sure.
240Z with a repaint just went for $27k
1973 Datsun 240Z | Bring a Trailer

An E30 M3 with over 200k miles just went for $40k
1988 BMW M3 | Bring a Trailer

Are these wholesale prices?

Djs36345 09-11-2016 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 9274870)
240Z with a repaint just went for $27k
1973 Datsun 240Z | Bring a Trailer

An E30 M3 with over 200k miles just went for $40k
1988 BMW M3 | Bring a Trailer

Are these wholesale prices?

thanks for the personal anecdotes.

sugarwood 09-11-2016 08:12 AM
You're welcome, but they're not personal. And an anecdote is a singular point. With 2 data points, you have, well, data. Not an anecdote.

Matt Monson 09-11-2016 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 9276217)
You're welcome, but they're not personal. And an anecdote is a singular point. With 2 data points, you have, well, data. Not an anecdote.
It's still anecdotal evidence. It's even less valid than you slantnose assertation.

sugarwood 09-11-2016 09:04 AM
So what is your point? I'm saying, along with most people, that BAT has higher sale prices. I gave a few examples. You're more than welcome to prove rigorously otherwise.

Matt Monson 09-11-2016 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 9276267)
So what is your point? I'm saying, along with most people, that BAT has higher sale prices. I gave a few examples. You're more than welcome to prove rigorously otherwise.
My point is someone said thank you and you were a divk to him.

sugarwood 09-11-2016 09:17 AM
I felt he was the one being a dick. The "thanks" was facetious, as I interpreted it, and was emphasized by the anecdotal dig.

Skwerl 09-11-2016 09:23 AM
All's you have to do is put your anecdotes into a spreadsheet. BOOM! Data. ;)

techweenie 09-11-2016 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Skwerl (Post 9276289)
All's you have to do is put your anecdotes into a spreadsheet. BOOM! Data. ;)
True fact.

Just be sure the sum total of your anecdotes make a valid sample and that the sources are entirely without bias.

;-)

maninblack 09-11-2016 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Djs36345 (Post 9276212)
thanks for the personal anecdotes.
Exactly.

mreid 09-11-2016 10:29 AM
Stand back and let us professionals on BaT school you in the ways of dissecting the minutiae of your vehicle, while the thumb suckers on eBay standby gawking at their own incompetence.

Sugarwood, I look forward to meeting you in the future when my lake house is complete north of nyc.

Rawknees'Turbo 09-11-2016 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mreid (Post 9276365)
Sugarwood, I look forward to meeting you in the future when my lake house is complete north of nyc.
^^^

***forum dating***



Woody, your assessment of that "thanks" post looks spot on to me - was undoubtedly a sarcastic rip (not that there's anything wrong wiff dat'!).

mreid 09-11-2016 11:33 AM
You know I moved to Texas to be near you.

sugarwood 09-11-2016 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by techweenie (Post 9276339)
True fact.

Just be sure the sum total of your anecdotes make a valid sample and that the sources are entirely without bias.

;-)
You're right. Cars on BAT actually sell for pennies on the dollar. I happened to pick the only two auctions in the the last two years that actually sold above 16 cents. Carry on with completely missing the point of anything.

DCAlbarran 09-11-2016 12:35 PM
I wouldn't think the eBay sales even make a valid data point as these are not always completed sales. Search sold vehicles, and you'll see that a particular vehicle may have been "sold" on eBay 3 or 4 times, then relisted. These winning bids are non-binding, whereas sales on BaT and live auctions are. (yeah, i guess technically BaT winners can back out an lose only the buyers premium, but I have only heard of it happening once, with over 1000 auctions).

Djs36345 09-11-2016 12:42 PM
what other auction sites or live auctions that post their results online are out there? so far I only know BAT and ebay. Mecum and Monterey etc don't post their results or I don't know how to access them.

McLovin 09-11-2016 02:12 PM
At this time, many bidders believe that the cars have somehow been "vetted" by BaT in some way.

Which, having sold a car on BaT, I can tell you is not true.

It's also kind of a "new" thing.

McLovin 09-11-2016 02:13 PM
I do agree, though, car as a whole tend to go for over market value on BaT (at least at this time).

That's why I sold my car there. And was very happy with the result. ;)


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