lol, how would you know if someone backed out or not?

I know of several, including buyers that recently backed out TWICE on the same car! (same car, 2 auctions, 2 different buyers, both backed out).

I can remember one that was relisted due to a buyer backing out. Just the one. Can there have been more? Yes, I just haven't seen/heard about them, and I follow BaT pretty closely as an entertainment source. My point being that eBay is a 3rd world flea market compared to BaT. Much more transparency, however forced by the community/commenters.

Now you got us curious. Please, do tell.

notice the same.

it is almost like there are scam bidders just bidding stuff up (not affiliated with the seller) just doing it for fun ?

i have no confidence that i am bidding against another real bidder on ebay

The white E30 325i with the transplanted 6 cylinder engine was listed twice, both times the buyers backed out. That was in the last month or two.

There have been several others. The thing is, you generally can't tell if the sale was consummated or not. There's usually no way to know.

I've noticed more "reserves not met." There were a couple today.

And it also doesn't seem like prices are as high recently. Closer to market. But still generally on the high side.

I'm curious as to the long term of BaT. It's interesting to follow as a business.

CAPTAIN OBVIOUS HERE: Shill bidding is rampant on eBay...I'm convinced the "powers that be" are so overwhelmed they've more-or-less given up on controlling it...The best advice I can give for controlling same is to use the (admittedly cumbersome) option to pre-approve bidders and only doing so after you are satisfied of their legitimacy and ability and willingness to follow through with the transaction...There is such a wealth of data on eBay that can be so very useful but somebody has to comb through it AND INTERPRET IT...I'm assuming most people here realize the simple value of doing a Google search on EVERYTHING associated with any given auction or listing or transaction...A simple search of the VIN will often reveal at least a portion of the good, the bad and the ugly of any given vehicle...Right click those pictures and use the "Search Google for image" function...In my opinion and experience getting even a modest deposit from your prospective buyer as early in the transaction as possible will go a LONG way toward actually closing the deal...I am also of the mind the comments on BaT serve a vital function...Most BaT users actually read with comprehension and answer direct questions, which is not always the case with eBay users...RTN/XXX/OOO

This doesn't make sense to me. Usually the shill bidders work for the seller and jacking up the price. I think you are trying to keep out deadbeat bidders. I've never seen them called shills before.

Yea, sounds like the word he meant to use was flake, non-paying, and/or deadbeat bidder.

Want me to step in and apply some correction or can you handle it?

I see one 20 post newb that needs a tune up. Perhaps, a good talking to.

I prolly won't do a damned thing given recent history, but I like to sound tough.:D

Vicious air punches..............

^^^


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Delbert Grady is a bowse.

Like, THE bowse.

^^^

No doubt about that right thar!

Shill bidding is actually incredibly rare on ebay. You'd be surprised at the lengths they go to to combat issues such as this.

Deadbeats are another story. Hard to control them but they're still the exception and not the rule.

Delbert don't throw air punches.

He remedies incorrect situations with a very few words.

Trivia: Delbert was the Dad of the lead character in A Clockwork Orange. Hence, the Kubrick connection which got him the role for the monumental Shining scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0_SYZJfzU

Djs36345 talking at 1:40 in. Then sugarwood unloads.

Yes, i thought they have algorithms to see if the same bidders are biding on the same seller repeatedly... You'd constantly need to create new accounts, and then pad them with ratings points.. This is done by purchasing lots of $1 items... At the least, it needs to be an organized plan for a flipper. One time seller can just ask his friends to bid.

My fav Kubrick flick, they predicted iPads/tablets....

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My thoughts drift back to erect nipple wet dreams about Mary Jane Rottencrotch and the great homecoming f fantasy. I am so happy that I am alive, in one piece, and short. I'm in a world of S...yes. But I am alive.

fmj

my kid sells jink on fleabay..... deadbeat bidders are a problem. you cannot even leave neg feedback

I tried recently to submit a non-Porsche, non-Euro, non-stock domestic Hot Rod to BaT. A very high quality piece. They turned it down because it was 'out of their expertise' to predict a selling price. Oh, but they want to list my Porsche. Cherry picking at its best.

Quite a odd business model, turning down potential profit and market expansion in the cause of keeping up appearances. They net a profit of about 1/2 what a brick n mortar live small auction would, but have only a website to maintain.

I doubt that more than 5% of cars listed on eBay actually sell there, but they list 90000 at at time. Not 30 like BaT.

Alfas seem to do quite well on BaT........

You are seeing an increasing number of "reserve not met" on BaT -- and they are pretty predictable:

- hot rods: sellers often want what the build cost them, and buyers won't pay that; BaT audience is generally about stock, original cars, not hot rods (except mustangs)

- Mercedes: especially any 90s cars, 70s sedans, or 73-89 SLs. They are just not worth much, and are money pits if rusty. Buyers won't pay the premium sellers want if there is is a reserve.

- kit cars: same as hot rods

- 1930-59 American cars: the market is just not there; more cars than buyers.

The BaT audience likes:

- E30 & 2002 BMWs
- Porsches of all flavors
- VWs
- 60s muscle
- LBCs: triumph, Lotus, MG, Austin Healey, etc.
- All things Italian: Alfas, Maseratis, though Ferraris with reserves don't sell well.
- French cars: Citroens, Renaults -- who knows why.

^^^ Perfect analysis

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it's like Reverb for cars. Reverb sells all sorts of music gear...only.
I think there is an exclusivity that EBAY does not have, and fewer if any scammers

Someone just paid $41,000 for a 928
1987 Porsche 928 S4 | Bring a Trailer

All the $$$ but its getting difficult to find original, maintained, low mile, 5 speeds 928s. The majority of 928s seem to have been neglected in one way or the other due to costly/difficult maintenance.

Yes, but that should reflect in the sales of all 928's, regardless of venue, if all venue were the same.

Agreed. BAT is the place for these types of cars for sure.

BaT feels like a digital 'curb stoner'. They fluff up descriptions and 99% of the cars a mediocre at best.

Y'all are BaT **** Crazy!

MattR

Two to watch today....... 930 and T Targa.

Do you own stock in eBay or something? :roll eyes:


BaT is about as transparent as a sales/auction website can be. They aren't a dealer -- although the website owners do occasionally auction one of their own cars -- they host an auction site on commission.

That has absolutely zero to do with curbstoning.

Most cars they host are being sold by brokers, but that is the nature of the market, not anything specific about the website. If you want a Pebble Beach car, go to RM and pay the premium.

Having actually sold a car in a BaT auction, I will tell you that they rely 70% on the seller's description. For the rest, they pay very close attention to the photos you provide and they demand extensive photos.

They create a draft from your provided info and you can suggest modifications which they can accept or re-edit. BaT editors will generally fill in info that is categorically appropriate to the type of car you're selling.

If you forget or overlook something, the comment area lets you make up for that.

I have also sold a Porsche on BaT and I agree - No deliberate "fluffing" from the auction writers, but some of them can't write worth a damn and sometimes they use superlatives instead of actual descriptions in their write-ups. When this happens they are almost always called out by the BaT posting community.

Most ludicrous comment in this thread. I've seen more low mileage unicorns on BAT in one year than in my life combined.

I finally agree with sugar baby.

You need to get out more.

maninblack nailed it.

Nah -- he didn't.

It is one thread, and that comment was by far the most ridiculous in it.

Saying "99% of the cars on BaT are mediocre" is patently foolish.