82 Targa with 7500 miles, worth???

[txhokie4life]

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/ctd/5924277713.html

I've working on a small collection of keeper cars...

I'm looking at this one as a 5-10 year investment, not as a common driver, but I'll take it out and enjoy it from time to time, if only to show it off and keep things lubricated.

What is a fair price for something like this?

Mike
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[WPOZZZ]

It is a nice car, but I don't think that is the original mileage. The seat covers look new, brand new, as a matter of fact. Factory covers don't have that that bunching of material at the shoulders. The tool kit is missing some pieces and looks like it has 275k of use on it. Look at the wear on the key rosette.

[faapgar]

Hi,no site available.Good luck with your collection.

[Rick Brooklyn]

As replied on rennlist. Assuming SCs can be "investment" material, and I doubt it, that car isn't one of those.

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[thamlin000]

Carfax it. Even the dealer says odo 'shows 7k mi'. I like the wording there. Even they know that it is not 7k actual mi.

Looks like a good $30k driver quality car, assuming no rust and no broken head studs.

[specialtyoneinc]

That doesn't look like a keeper. Mileage is 100% incorrect. High $20s car if everything is working correctly etc...

[Unobtanium-inc]

If I was going to invest in an SC, it wouldn't be a Targa. If you want a car that will go up in value, buy the nicest 944 Turbo or 928 S4 you can, you'll thank me later.

---Adam

[txhokie4life]

Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

If I was going to invest in an SC, it wouldn't be a Targa. If you want a car that will go up in value, buy the nicest 944 Turbo or 928 S4 you can, you'll thank me later.

---Adam

928's are dicey... repairs can really eat into any appreciation.
Too complicated for their value. Just sold my 82 Euro.

I've also done 951's. Unmolested keepers are hard to find.

Mike

[G450X]

Any 30+ year old car with only 7500 original miles should have an interesting story and documentation to confirm the story/miles.

[Unobtanium-inc]

Originally Posted by txhokie4life

928's are dicey... repairs can really eat into any appreciation.
Too complicated for their value. Just sold my 82 Euro.

I've also done 951's. Unmolested keepers are hard to find.

Mike

Pay what looks like a stupid price for either of those cars now and you won't regret it, as long as it is very very nice. Take it from a guy who traded two horrible projects for a driver roadster 10 years ago, and I get to enjoy it.

---Adam

[matt930s]

No way in hell thats a 7500 mile car.

MattR

[gshiwota]

1982 911 should have an 85 MPH speedo. So at least you know that odometer isn't original.

[sugarwood]

I only looked at the link .....before reading the thread.
Does this sound like a 7000 mile time capsule?

1. Who sells their 7k mile cream puff to a dealer?
2. What are those badged fog light covers?
3. Are chromed Fuchs an OEM option?
4. Non-original exhaust tip
5. Rear deck lid is misaligned? (See right edge)
6. Is Turbo tail an OEM option?
7. Aftermarket speakers in doors
8. Aftermarket steering wheel
9. Wrinkled seat covers (replaced?)
10. Aftermarket gauge bezels (huge red flag)
11. Faded key circular plate
12. Aftermarket shifter
13. Are those big crested mats OEM?
14. Fire extinguisher??
15. Engine does not look brand new
16. Red distributor cap is aftermarket?
17. Toolkit is filthy

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

Pay what looks like a stupid price for either of those cars now and you won't regret it, as long as it is very very nice. Take it from a guy who traded two horrible projects for a driver roadster 10 years ago, and I get to enjoy it.

---Adam

A 944 Turbo and a 928 S4 are a ways off from a Roadster. I agree it'd be nice to buy a very, very nice one, but a very, very nice example of any Porsche will be somewhat desirable in 20-30 years - even a very, very nice early Stuttgart made Boxster.

I wouldn't put your money into a 951 or a 928 unless you are passionate about it. They don't like to sit (actually they hate to sit) (ie. rubber timing belts, o-rings, coolant, water pumps, and the list goes on), and you really need to be passionate about their style, what they represent, and maintenance.

Any 951 or 928 S4 probably represent the pinnacle of Porsche front-engined water cooled, and I would probably lump in the 944 Cab and maybe the 944 normal 16V, but these cars are a serious hobby to maintain, and it's not like a 356 where you can get by with a 10mm, 13mm, and a feeler gauge (and this is coming from someone who's owned 356s, 924s, 914s, VW Ovals, etc).

Unless you really want a 944 Turbo or a 928 S4, save your money and get what you want. To me, I never understood all the ragging on Targas (or Cabs for that matter), as a very very clean 911SC Targa will certainly be worth more than a comparable 944 Turbo.

[txhokie4life]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

A 944 Turbo and a 928 S4 are a ways off from a Roadster. I agree it'd be nice to buy a very, very nice one, but a very, very nice example of any Porsche will be somewhat desirable in 20-30 years - even a very, very nice early Stuttgart made Boxster.

I wouldn't put your money into a 951 or a 928 unless you are passionate about it. They don't like to sit (actually they hate to sit) (ie. rubber timing belts, o-rings, coolant, water pumps, and the list goes on), and you really need to be passionate about their style, what they represent, and maintenance.

Any 951 or 928 S4 probably represent the pinnacle of Porsche front-engined water cooled, and I would probably lump in the 944 Cab and maybe the 944 normal 16V, but these cars are a serious hobby to maintain, and it's not like a 356 where you can get by with a 10mm, 13mm, and a feeler gauge (and this is coming from someone who's owned 356s, 924s, 914s, VW Ovals, etc).

Unless you really want a 944 Turbo or a 928 S4, save your money and get what you want. To me, I never understood all the ragging on Targas (or Cabs for that matter), as a very very clean 911SC Targa will certainly be worth more than a comparable 944 Turbo.

Sal, having owned and wrenched, and sold a 951 and a 928, I totally agree with you.
The market for 928's are bargain hunters. There are too many neglected money pits that folks would won't pay for a good example unless you get into the GTS range -- then there just aren't that many and are already steep prices for a car that, relative to a 911 needs way too much upkeep maintenance (14' timing belt every few years).
Too many 951's have been butchered, neglected, or both and there just isn't that much money in them.

Mike

[NYNick]

Ooh, I'd love a roadster. I could trade all of my 911's and maybe afford one and a half.

Hey Adam, got any?

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by gshiwota

1982 911 should have an 85 MPH speedo. So at least you know that odometer isn't original.

^^^ this.

I have to laugh when people write ads with the word "incredible." In=not. So yeah, not credible.

[Unobtanium-inc]

Originally Posted by NYNick

Ooh, I'd love a roadster. I could trade all of my 911's and maybe afford one and a half.

Hey Adam, got any?

Sure, which do you want, a single grill or a twin grill, we normally have several roadsters laying about.

---Adam

[Unobtanium-inc]

Originally Posted by txhokie4life

Sal, having owned and wrenched, and sold a 951 and a 928, I totally agree with you.
The market for 928's are bargain hunters. There are too many neglected money pits that folks would won't pay for a good example unless you get into the GTS range -- then there just aren't that many and are already steep prices for a car that, relative to a 911 needs way too much upkeep maintenance (14' timing belt every few years).
Too many 951's have been butchered, neglected, or both and there just isn't that much money in them.

Mike

You guys are missing my point about the 951 and 928 S4 or GT, everyone still poo-poo's these cars so their true value has not yet been realized. As more fall by the wayside, it only increases the value of a near perfect example. This is compared to buying an air-cooled 911 right now that are at record prices, so there isn't nearly the upside over a 10-20 year period, part of that boat has already been missed.

---Adam

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

You guys are missing my point about the 951 and 928 S4 or GT, everyone still poo-poo's these cars so their true value has not yet been realized. As more fall by the wayside, it only increases the value of a near perfect example. This is compared to buying an air-cooled 911 right now that are at record prices, so there isn't nearly the upside over a 10-20 year period, part of that boat has already been missed.

---Adam

Adam, no we aren't missing the point. However, I'd like to make another point. Not to be a d*** but I don't see many 944s or 928s parked on your lot. Just sayin'.