Advice for selling 86 930 at mecum auction

[Myench]

New here and a novice so I need help and fast, car goes to auction Friday. Brothers car, I'm helping (thrown into this, doing all the work). He is 3rd owner, 29,000 miles. Awesome looking (silver/burgundy) and runs great. Problem is car is not all stock. Previous owner installed dp body work and maybe engine modifications( bigger inter cooler?) See pics)not a real dp car. Trying to contact previous owner but no luck. Engine #s appear to match. I'm guessing drivetrain#s match also but not sure. Any idea how to find out how many 930s were built with this color combo? Mecum requires engine casting #s, engine casting dates,engine assembly codes, and engine and vin/serial derivatives to be called matching#s car. Does that affect the price that much? What kind of reserve should we put on this ?

[trader220]

Motor looks pretty stock from the photo except for that alarm bull horn sticking out.

Can you document the miles?

[Rawknees'Turbo]

There are only two D/P or D/P replica body pieces on it - tail and the front valence, so those are easy for a new owner to change and shouldn't have much impact on value.

And to echo what Trader said, the engine is 100% stock in appearance, and most likely is stock in performance considering it still has the horribly restrictive and heavy, OEM muffler on it, as well as the poor performing, stock intercooler - both of those would have needed to be changed before other performance mods were done (aka - probably a completely stock turbocharger, and fuel and ignition systems).

[Mehoff]

oh man, a Mecum auction is not the place for that car.....I'd pull it if you can.

Solid late(r) 80's driver 930's seem to transact in the high $70 to very low $80k range, but with the low miles that car could probably go north of that in the right place. The non-original and poor aesthetic body adds-ons are going to be a killer; I fear that car as-is will get smoked at an auction.

Return to original, get the CoA and put in up for sale on the enthusiast sites

[Myench]

Cannot exactly document miles. Odometer was not working for 6 months in 2016. (he did not notice) which is documented in repair receipts. Maybe an extra 300-400 miles if that. Too late to pull from auction but have a high reserve on it. What would it cost to return to original condition? And realistically what can he get for it. Looking at cost / benefit. Thank you all for helping

[Rawknees'Turbo]

I don't see how the tail and front valance would be a "killer" except to the most uniformed buyers (maybe that's who's primarily spending the big $$$ for these cars, however), as while not cheap, they are easy fixes.

Myench, I don't know a cost total to give you, but on the front you would need to find a year appropriate valance (the one with the fog light cutouts) and a 930 front spoiler strip (the black plastic, wrap around piece that mates to the front fender flares) and on the rear, you would need to find a complete, 1978-1989 Turbo engine deck lid and tail (it looks like the DP tail uses the original rubber lip, so you wouldn't need to buy that if the one on the car is in good shape) . . . then the parts would have to be prepped and painted to match the rest of the car.

So while the process to convert those sections back to stock is relatively simple, the costs would add up in a hurry - especially if paying someone else to do the fitting, painting and install work.

To get an idea of what it would take to buy the parts, you could check eBay "sold listings" - an excellent way to judge what the parts are worth.

[specialtyoneinc]

If you don't sell it at auction put it on Bring A Trailer with no reserve and let it rip in the spring. Get a thorough PPI and don't hide any details. It should be north of $75k if everything checks out and you can verify the mileage. Best of luck at the auction.

[voitureltd]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

I don't see how the tail and front valance would be a "killer" except to the most uniformed buyers (maybe that's who's primarily spending the big $$$ for these cars, however), as while not cheap, they are easy fixes.

Myench, I don't know a cost total to give you, but on the front you would need to find a year appropriate valance (the one with the fog light cutouts) and a 930 front spoiler strip (the black plastic, wrap around piece that mates to the front fender flares) and on the rear, you would need to find a complete, 1978-1989 Turbo engine deck lid and tail (it looks like the DP tail uses the original rubber lip, so you wouldn't need to buy that if the one on the car is in good shape) . . . then the parts would have to be prepped and painted to match the rest of the car.

So while the process to convert those sections back to stock is relatively simple, the costs would add up in a hurry - especially if paying someone else to do the fitting, painting and install work.

To get an idea of what it would take to buy the parts, you could check eBay "sold listings" - an excellent way to judge what the parts are worth.

Good parts should still be pretty cheap. So if all the inner stuff is still there $10K max to get it nicely done at a good shop, obviously less to the DIY guy, (
especially if they have the parts on a shelf ) who by the way, do troll these auctions, so it might get a realistic bid.

[Myench]

Thanks for all your help everyone. If it does not sell this weekend, I'm sure I'll be seeking more advice.

[Myench]

sorry, one more question. If he did return the car to original build at a cost of 10k what would increase in value be assuming everything checks out ? I'm assuming he would notate in sales ad the initial dp package add on, then change back to stock
What is PPI ?

[kc911s]

PPI would be a Pre Purchase Inspection. It would list any faults the car has and if it turns out to be a solid car that would make people more comfortable when bidding. The $10k was probably just a guesstimate. Finding the parts, painting them and any paint blending that would be needed on the car to make the new parts match could come in lower or higher than that. What's the interior like? If it's original that is good- non factory seats, aftermarket radio, etc... all detract from the value of the car.

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by Myench

sorry, one more question. If he did return the car to original build at a cost of 10k what would increase in value be assuming everything checks out ? I'm assuming he would notate in sales ad the initial dp package add on, then change back to stock
What is PPI ?

Yes. The low mileage will attract the buyers. Get it back to stock.

[bpfordfan]

Kinda hard to do that when it is at the auction now, no?
It should do OK there even the way it is.

[Ferraripete]

Originally Posted by Mehoff

oh man, a Mecum auction is not the place for that car.....I'd pull it if you can.

Solid late(r) 80's driver 930's seem to transact in the high $70 to very low $80k range, but with the low miles that car could probably go north of that in the right place. The non-original and poor aesthetic body adds-ons are going to be a killer; I fear that car as-is will get smoked at an auction.

Return to original, get the CoA and put in up for sale on the enthusiast sites

I agree with this.

[voitureltd]

Originally Posted by kc911s

The $10k was probably just a guesstimate.

Yes, a ( wag ) guesstimate. That would be the figure I would use if doing the appraisal and doing the work with the quality shops I use. Also the $$$ credit for reselling the take off parts should keep you safely in that price area. See what it gets bid according to what you expect. Sure to the right buyer it would be worth more stock after the hassle of selling later and after the hassle of getting it back to stock. Market changes not with standing.
Also if the car does represent a otherwise near perfect original represented by the miles with few if any other problems that might come to light with a PPI. See what feedback you get before it goes on the block from the "experts" who check it out at the sale, keeping in mind some will be as critical as possible to lower your expectations. Good Luck

[Myench]

Interior is a 9/10. Only flaw is some wear on drivers seat. Interior all stock. Auction will be interesting. Already had an "expert" try to lowball us by saying car is subpar. Difficult to tell who is legit and who is full of it. Car does not have to be sold so we are going with the flow.

[voitureltd]

Originally Posted by Myench

Interior is a 9/10. Only flaw is some wear on drivers seat. Interior all stock. Auction will be interesting. Already had an "expert" try to lowball us by saying car is subpar. Difficult to tell who is legit and who is full of it. Car does not have to be sold so we are going with the flow.

A real "original only top dollar buyer" ( subpar commenter types always around these events ) will not be interested as it has some parts changed from original factory delivered new that requires some repaint, so don't expect that type of money. However a real quality flipper/dealer or ( keeper buyer ) with the original stuff and where with all to get it back to original would be your ideal buyer. As others have said, not that big a deal to reverse the changes, if otherwise it really is a well taken care of 29K mile car that upon close expert examination & good service records, indicates all that is usually needed with 29K miles and has been taken care of, may be there bidding. Just keep

[Macroni]

Candidly, there is no reason to expect top dollars for this car. You have a great foundation. Given the earlier auction result of the $65,000 SC Cab conversion, you might find the two buyers who have to have it.

It is a nice car.......

[Highway-Star]

Car is not ready for auction, pull it if you can.

You don't want to take a no sale either, folks remember it.

[93097004xx]

Now is not the time. You will be selling at a 2 year low.. in 5 years these cars will all be up 10% to maybe 30%.

I'd say with the miles on this car you have a solid $100,000 in your pocket IF YOU CAN WAIT. I'd say 2 years maybe less.

Mecum is a huge mistake PULL THIS CAR. You will sell the car take your $ and two years later realize you made a $30,000 mistake.

Again Mecum is the wrong venue for these cars few bidders = less money


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