73 RSR engine value?
 

If there were one laying around in storage, perhaps without a body to match, does anyone know what the value would be assuming it were in reasonable condition?

Thanks in advance for any expert opinions. The one I'm thinking of has a huge single distributor with 12 plug wires. Twin plug so I have heard. I don't know much more about 73 RSR except regarding the rarity of the breed.

yeah ,.,,old racecar junk is worthless.lol

a Big bundle of USDs

With little to no information about it I'd assume if it is complete with the correct parts, assuming it needs a rebuild I'd still peg it around $50K or better.
Get a serial number, try to find the owner of said car and it doubles in value :)

May want to get more info and post this on the Early S Registry.

Make sure you take a picture of the case numbers and stampings and post them. There have been some posted FS on here that looked like restamps.

Way more than $50k if complete with dizzy and Mfi. A decade ago I sold just the Mfi pump for one of those engines for $15k, though that was nos.

A 3.0 RSR motor is parts was recently listed for sale for $149k- SOLD! Pending Payment - 1974 Porsche 911 RS / RSR 3.0 Liter Race Engine Photo Gallery by 914-6 GT at pbase.com
Phil

Engine with ancillaries value is 1/3 of complete car in vis-a-vis condition.

This is my rule of thumb.

Thank you everyone for your insights and great advice. I'll continue to pursue the engine as I get time. You have given me some great info and a reference point to start with. I'm not confident that I'll be able to wrestle it away from the current owner. I will try my best however. We have some mutual aquaintences and closer friends. It is still an unknown what plan he has for it, but my haunch is that it is still a stand alone item since there is no body/chassy here to match it. I have been close enough to it to touch it but didn't dare play like Snoopy. It may come to nothing in the end, but thanks to you guys I'm armed and ready for battle,

If i can get closer or get any numbers off it I will post something.

Thanks so much!
Bernard

Good luck Bernard. Thats quite the find.

Great to hear from you Matt. Thanks again for all your help in the past about my inquiries via my car here. I'll try my best on this motor if indeed I can swing it. I will go down for a try in a week or so. No guarantees. Either way I will let you all know what the outcome is.

Just a note to say, I apologized before about my flare up on my thread to you. I thank you for your understanding and tolerance. No hard feelings either way I hope.

On another note, I now have three aluminum 70s deck lids. One was on my 69E sporto, and in the last 3 months I have aquired two more. I'm thinking of just putting them on the shelf for now. Shipping from here is hard unless OF consolidated shipping which I am well versed with for many years now. I thought best to sell all three lids in a package, but who would want three of them? Also I want to get going price for them so it is not a wholesale price.


Any thoughts?

Thanks much,

Bernard

No pictures yet.

I know where there's an excellent one of these... #663XXXX - never assigned to a chassis, more of an "over-run" for the 73 RS series. I would put the price in excess of $100K; probably less than $125K.

Thank you techweeniie, always good to hear from you. That is very interesting information. I want to double check with you because you typed RS, not RSR. RS is a 2.7 and RSR is 3.0 I believe, and twin plug so I have learned. Just checking in with you.

You're the "aluminum deckilid" guy....did you end up punching holes in it?

MattR

Hello MattR,

Am I the aluminum deck lid guy? Guess so. Perhaps I'm getting a bad reputation for that. Answer to your question is no. I took JR's (Javadog's) advice and decided to sell it and get a steel one that matches my 69E, though I haven't gotten around to it. Since that time I have aquired 2 more of them so now three. I got a domestic quote from a company that is tied up with UPS and Fed Ex. They quoted me 27,000 yen for packing in a reinforced cardboard box with legs, bands and wood ribs on the outside. The total quote on a discount Fed Ex rate total was a astonishing 126,000 JPY which must be over 1K USD. I'm not finished looking but Ocean Freight sounds good to me at about 120 USD per cubic meter even in a steel crate I can build my self plus a few loading fees at the port which aren't painful. At any rate, I am not thinking about it now and too busy, nor did I or will I punch holes in even one of them.

Best,
Bernard

Yes, it is an RS engine by manufacture. I suspect an RSR engine would be 50-100% more.

small update
 

Just wanted to say I busted a move on the motor in question a couple of days ago. Some info came about. I learned that it is an original engine purchased as a spare 10 or more years ago. Whether i can buy it is still an unknown, but the word is out to mutual friends to current owner that i am interested. I promised to keep you'all current on the idea. As said, it may come to nothing. I hope it does however. Time will tell. I can't disclose more than this. On the other hand, I remember seeing the fat 12 wire distributor, also the original air cleaner. The motor was covered over so that was all I coud see back two weeks ago.

If the original air cleaner is on the motor, the stacks will be too. In that case, the mfi system might be too. Matt Monson said something about the dizzy or Nos, i can't remember. I am kind of ignorant about those terms.

Anyway, i promised to update you all. I have done so and sorry for no photos. I busted a move, drove 5 hours in a day, not for you, just because I wanted to.

Bernard

3.0 rsr
 

Hi,if it has an air cleaner housing it is probably a twinplug RS engine.I never worked on any RSR engines with an air cleaner housing.Could be bored to 2.8 with twinplug.Fred

Thank you Fred for that information. I never knew there was an RS 2.7 twin plug. If it were a 2.7 twin or bored to 2.8, how would that change the value from previous posts?

Two days ago I learned it was an original engine, bought as a spare motor. I don't think it has been modified. It does have the big single dist. with 12 wires and the air cleaner housing

Though you haven't worked on one rsr motor with air cleaner housing, are you 100% sure they didn't come like that as well? I also haven't seen one like that in any pictures.

Much appreciate your input and insights. This is a little out of my realm until now

Bernard

3.0 rsr
 

Hi,I am sorry for the confusion.There were no 2.7 twinplug RS engines.Building a 2.7 RS to a 2.8 Twinplug was a popular build with the mechanical injection.An engine serial number would clarify this question.Fred

Thanks Fred for the feedback. Unfortunately I won't be able to get a number or photos for the time being. This will take some time I'm afraid. You could be right perhaps that it is a built RS motor. Until I get close enough we won't know for sure. Truth be said, I am going the indirect method i.e. taking my time and not rushing the buy proposal, We'll find out the factual details when the time comes, if it comes. Keeping the fingers crossed for now.
Bernard

Bernie,

An RS engine would have a type number of 911/83. An RSR would have been a 911/72, 911/73 or 911/74. That's the first thing I'd check.

An RSR motor would have some external differences to an RS. I would look for these things:

A cast magnesium housing for the racing oil filter assembly where the engine-mounted oil cooler would have been on an RS.

Sand cast magnesium chain covers with a provision for central oiling for the camshafts.

Different injection stacks, with either a higher position for the throttle butterflies or slides instead of butterflies.

A different injection pump. Google a picture of an RSR pump to see the differences.

If you see an aluminum crankcase, instead of a magnesium one, get a casting number off of it.

Detailed photos would always help, when/if you can get them.

If it's an RS engine that has been twin-plugged, that would imply that it's internally modified, as there's no reason to do that to a stock RS engine with its low compression ratio. If it's been built as a 2.8, most likely they will not have used the correct RSR cylinder heads, so it's a bit of a bastard engine. All of this affects the value of an RS engine, if it turns out to be one of those.

JR

Wow JR! What a trove of pertinant info that I was desperate for. How long did it take you to dig that up? I don't know how I can repay you for this, if I can I will. As said, this may take time, or not. It may come to nothing , or not.

I will need time to purchase this motor if possible. It is possible I believe, or I woudn't be going on about it. I sure appreciate all the member's feedback on this one. If I get any new info, I will post it

Bernard

Did you get my pm the other day?

Hi Matt,

I didid't sorry. Truthfully, I never check PM because no one ever sends any. I think your message was no. 17 and this goes back to 2007 maybe? I did take a 4 year vacation from the forum after first joining. Not to labor it. I got it Matt. I will get back to you shortly.

Best,
Bernard

Most Porsche specialists would apply the same rule.

Fully rebuilt genuine 1973 2.7 RS engine (a genuine 663 stamping, there are plenty of fakes around) sold end of last year for £150,000 ($183,000). Chassis was badly damaged scrapped in the 80's. It had just had a £25,000 engine rebuild.

That's around 1/3 of a nice RS touring.

Thank you Manipou,

Great information! I'm going to take that 1/3 ratio to heart, but that means I have to be a lot more cashed up to get it too right? We'll see. It will take much more time before I can even take a swing at it, due to various constraints time and otherwise. I will do my best, but it won't happen overnight. Wish me luck as Matt Monson did. I think I will need it.

Best,
Bernard