Are they all 911s or no?

[Rick Brooklyn]

Given the heated debate in the other thread, I think we need to settle this once and for all: are they all 911s or are the 964s and newer not 911s? Let's see who wins.

[Racerbvd]

If it isn't air cooled, it isn t a 911..

[Catorce]

Is this even a question? The inventor and manufacturer - not to mention copyright holder - is telling you they are 911s.

They are 911s!

[Rawknees'Turbo]

The ones without turbochargers suck azz anyway, so who cares!!!!!

[matt930s]

Silly question.

MattR

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by matt930s

Silly question.

MattR

Yer just miffed because a 912 is not a 911, bisch!

[93097004xx]

I guess what he really asking is..

IS Porsche still Porsche..

NO

They are a luxury SUV manufacturer that HAPPENS to build a few sports cars.

Yes they have lost their way.

Best thing that could ever happen the is for VW to go out of business. Then the company could get back on track. Low volume, high performance. high prices too.

I don't care how many nannys on here want to defend Cayennes, Chyennes,Macans,Panameras, I don't like seeing them and they have ruined porsche as it we known it.

I'm sure the knives will come out. But I feel deep down we all know porsche is going the wrong way and VW is whoring Porsche like a cheap hooker on sunset boulevard at 4:00 am in the rain poring rain..

[93097004xx]

Heck you know Pontiac was the performance devision of GM. They built suvs and cars performance oriented.

Maybe this is how VW now sees Porsche as their performance division.
They do after all build both suvs and cars.


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[SkunkWorks]

Who cares?

Y'all need to get into your 911s and go drive, people, yeesh...

[roblav]

It's not a good poll... I'm old school and agree with Byron. It's not a 911 unless it's air cooled.

I have no problem at all with the modern waterboxers (other than the some of the usual poorer engine design issues) nor that Porsche makes SUV's and sedans. As long as those cars contribute to Porsche's profit margin, then it allows them to continue to make the cars we love.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

You guys realize that SickRick was just doing a little stick poking, right!?!?

[Matt Monson]

911sc was the last 911. After that they became Carreras.

[pmax]

I'll go with the engineering designation, not marketing.

[touringmandan]

When Porsche became a majority publicly held company, the bean counters and marketing mavens took the reins from the family. We all can see what has happened since that time.
Love them or hate them, they are not the simple, light, puposeful cars that got/get me excited.

[Sunroof]

The 911's are all about the iconic body style that has been associated with the original 911 design (1965). As a Porsche owner for over 40 years (1973.5T-911, 1974-911 and 1979SC-911), for me the body took a left turn when the 993 came out. The 964 with its huge bumpers started the change. I will say though that the 993 enjoys the reputation as one of the best!

Porsche could not leave well enough alone after the Carrera name came back into play on the 1984 911. So why a 964, 993, 996, 997, etc? Porsche decided to place in small script "Porsche 911" on the engine hood of the latest in the family tree. Time to remind the latest generation, that, "hey its still a 911?"

For us old timers, when you sit inside an older 911 Porsche, the feel, the smells, the whole surrounding is like putting an old pair of comfortable shoes!!!! Nothing like it. For me, once that long time FIVE HOLE dash went into the history books and the classic 911 body started to evolve the car changed forever.

Call me a purist, an air-cool junkie, an old hippie who grew up driving Austin Healy's, Triumphs and Fiats in the 60's and 70's, but you have to admit........ when you see an older 911 coming down the road it has to put a smile on your face.


Bob
Sepia Brown 1973.5T-911

[1979-930]

The direction they take the company and cars they build are irrelevant to me. I think the 911 should be called the 911 and evolve like all other cars that carry the same name for 50 years.

Maybe it's confusing because of the way they configure the VIN number. Most manufacturers use use a model designation that never changes and change the engine codes. Each new engine gets it's own code.
Porsche seems to change the model designation with the engine, but they still call it a 911. This first showed up with the 930 and has seemed to bother people ever since.

But I do like that with all the changes, and bean counters supposedly running things, at least I can still get parts.
I was able to order two special sized spacers that were missing from the front control arm guard and AC condenser guard.

[ficke]

I think the problem I have in a nut shell is, 911 is not a name to me like Corvette or Camaro or mustang, it is a project #. A number that comes after the earlier designs #'s and before the later ones.

These numbers we see on the back of cars have meaning. We are losing that.
With Porsche cars it was the project number. Lotus car were the same way. but the gave project numbers names eventually.

With BMW the numbers had meaning also but they were not project number but platform and engine size, 318 was a 3 series 1.8 Liter engine 325 was a 3 series 2.5 liter engine, etc.
Mercedes had engine size then platform 380SL had a 3.8 Liter engine as opposed to a 450SL which had a 4.5 Liter engine.

So Back to Porsche Project 901, which had to be called 911 (another story) was done for years till the next one and it was given 964 because that was the sequential # not pulled out of thin air because it sounded nice.
Getting stuck on a project # and making it into a name is just plan gimmicky.
R2D2 was a name so I guess people can latch onto anything. But I find it childish.
With Porsche, 911 has lost meaning used as a name and not a project number.
That is my beef with calling newer projects of that design the old project number of 911.

[NYNick]

What does it say on the back of a 996, or a 997 or even a 991?
This poll is asking whether you CONSIDER them all 911's or not, not if they are or aren't.

Do we all know better than the company that still makes....911's?

[Catorce]

^well said

[Rawknees'Turbo]

p-Nutz, I know this is all personal perspective, and maybe I'm not understanding you exactly, but I think that Porsche blew the original 911 magic out of the water with the 993 GT2/GT2 Evo