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urseppos 05-16-2017 02:00 PM

Need some help with a purchase
 
There's a C4S for sale here on Pelican & Rennlist at a very reasonable price. I've engaged with the owner & he has sent across pix of car, documents, pic of DL, a pic of the title & a selfie with & without the car, my request.

He has sent me his banking info, which I wasn't able to verify as the bank had already closed. Everything looks good but when I called House Automotive in Pasadena they said that the invoices were legit but the name I gave them did not mirror the name of the owner on the invoices ? I'm obviously being extremely cautious and I do not want to get scammed. I've called the current owner to discuss but had to leave a message. In the interim I thought I'd reach out to Pelican for some advice.

Is anybody near Tujunga Cali that may be able to help me verify that this is a real deal ? I would gladly cover fuel & lunch costs if someone would be willing to go see the car. Let me know what you guys think.

Thanks in advance for everybody's help.

Rick Brooklyn 05-16-2017 02:14 PM

His name is on the title?

I think you could ask him directly to explain why the invoices are in a different name.

None of my biz, but what about the GT3, are you selling it? Or is this car an addition?

Matt Monson 05-16-2017 02:14 PM

If it were me I would buy a plane ticket.

Toast54 05-16-2017 02:16 PM

I'm quite new at this, but I thought a 2004 Carrera 4S at just over 19K seemed to be about 10K less than it's worth.

allaircooled 05-16-2017 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 9589934)
If it were me I would buy a plane ticket.

This right here.

urseppos 05-16-2017 02:59 PM

Quote:

None of my biz, but what about the GT3, are you selling it? Or is this car an addition?
It will be an addition & keeping the GT3.

I would fly out there but due to work & family I just can't do it. I'm reaching out to a friend in the LA area to see if he can facilitate. Why must this be so flipping difficult ?

HugoBear 05-16-2017 09:23 PM

I have my eye on that car because if it checks out, it is a crazy good deal. That makes me suspicious enough that I would want to do the transaction in person.

Macroni 05-17-2017 03:24 AM

Call Techweenie and let him handle for you. Couple of dollars for a peaceful decision.

nathanbs 05-17-2017 05:19 AM

I'm super close to tujunga. If you can get him to come to me I'll check it out for you. Tell him I live in Altadena

DCAlbarran 05-17-2017 06:57 AM

Hey man I think I could make it over there today or tomorrow afternoon if you want to give me a call we can set something up, or put me in contact with the seller. I'm not qualified to do a full-on PPI or anything, but I can give you a neutral third-party set of eyes on the car and seller.

(805) 907-5246. Leave a message, got little ones who nap! Or DCAlbarran@gmail.com

-Danny

1979-930 05-17-2017 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by macroni (Post 9590437)
call techweenie and let him handle for you. Couple of dollars for a peaceful decision.

Ditto, Because there are no good deals.

specialtyoneinc 05-17-2017 08:31 AM

I would pay a professional to check it out or find a car more local. Plenty of C4S pop up and the M96 is not a engine to gamble on.

Anyhow, didn't you just get burnt on the last 996 purchase you made sight unseen?

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"

Matt Monson 05-17-2017 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc (Post 9590793)
I would pay a professional to check it out or find a car more local. Plenty of C4S pop up and the M96 is not a engine to gamble on.

Anyhow, didn't you just get burnt on the last 996 purchase you made sight unseen?

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"

And his daughter's car before the GT3.

urseppos 05-17-2017 11:16 AM

So.....got hold of the shop that the fella just took the car to for an oil change and it needs about $7k worth of work, suggested by the shop. As many have mentioned previously, if it seems to good to be true it most likely is. I mean no disrespect to the owner of the car but at $19.5 one has to expect spending money in the not too distant future, also stated previously by one of the Pelicans. I am henceforth going to pass on her and hold off until something a bit closer to me comes up.

I appreciate all the advice from the panel. If anyone is interested in this car just let me know & I can forward some info across.

Once again, thank you all for your help.

urseppos 05-17-2017 02:27 PM

Quote:

Anyhow, didn't you just get burnt on the last 996 purchase you made sight unseen?

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"
lol Yes, very true & it just wasn't a home run purchase as I thought it may have been. I do at times buy cars sight unseen but when doing so I try to minimize risk by getting a PPI, photos, invoices, etc. Doesn't always work out in my favor but I've also had great success with some very honest & upstanding people. I unfortunately don't have the luxury of being able to fly as & when needed to see the cars as I would ideally prefer.

specialtyoneinc 05-17-2017 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by urseppos (Post 9591327)
lol Yes, very true & it just wasn't a home run purchase as I thought it may have been. I do at times buy cars sight unseen but when doing so I try to minimize risk by getting a PPI, photos, invoices, etc. Doesn't always work out in my favor but I've also had great success with some very honest & upstanding people. I unfortunately don't have the luxury of being able to fly as & when needed to see the cars as I would ideally prefer.

Glad you didn't buy that C4S. The jackoff seller just raised the asking price to $22.5k http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...s/a_frusty.gif
As you know, the home run deals get swooped up in a matter of minutes on PP and RL...especially in the 964 market which I'm unfortunately in.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...s/beerchug.gif

ranchy 05-17-2017 04:16 PM

No need to call me a jackoff seller. It's either you interested in my car or not. I have the right to increase the price if I want to. Thanks.

ranchy 05-17-2017 04:18 PM

Funny as it may seem, I just came up to update my asking price for the car and I come by all these. He didn't even have the decency of telling me directly that he was no longer interested in the car after providing all that he requested for. Fine by me. I'm back to taking offers for the car.

specialtyoneinc 05-17-2017 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranchy (Post 9591487)
No need to call me a jackoff seller. It's either you interested in my car or not. I have the right to increase the price if I want to. Thanks.

Sorry if I offended you ranchy. I'm sure you're a nice guy :D.

Rick Brooklyn 05-17-2017 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranchy (Post 9591492)
Funny as it may seem, I just came up to update my asking price for the car and I come by all these. He didn't even have the decency of telling me directly that he was no longer interested in the car after providing all that he requested for. Fine by me. I'm back to taking offers for the car.

You sound like a decent guy, unfortunately the chance of finding a decent guy in the used car world is about one in eleventy billion, so unsurprisingly it turned out that in fact you're not nice at all.

War584 05-17-2017 10:07 PM

Ranchy ....I spoke with him on Monday, tried to see the car, it was allegedly in a shop near my house getting a battery and oll change. I said I would stop by to see it and then Ranchy go nervous, said he would call back..and nothing. No response to email or text. Went by the shop and no record of the car in that day. Only one battery was changed that day, and it was not his.

I think this guy is fishing for deposits, honestly. He texted me on a 213 Los Angeles area code, which I called and spoke with him. Next day the number is no longetr in service and he posting messages to immediately sell his car well below market. Now he ups the price.

Word to the wise. Stay away from this guy. He is not legit...otherwise he would have showed the car and sold it by now.

ranchy 05-17-2017 11:58 PM

I'm really disappointed in you War584. Atleast, now you know why I stopped taking offers when I told you I did and that was because "the guy who started this thread" told me to when he was going to buy the car. As soon as he changed his mind, I decided to raise the price after I was advised to by my mechanics. The choice is yours to believe or not. I'm done here.

nathanbs 05-18-2017 04:52 AM

It pays to communicate

urseppos 05-18-2017 06:10 AM

Quote:

Funny as it may seem, I just came up to update my asking price for the car and I come by all these. He didn't even have the decency of telling me directly that he was no longer interested in the car after providing all that he requested for. Fine by me. I'm back to taking offers for the car.
ranchy, lets be totally honest here, I've been overly communicative with you and I did ask you to explain why the shop said that the name on the invoices didn't match what they had on their invoices ? You said that you would sort it out and 48 hrs later nothing. I spoke with the shop twice and the owner said that there was no mistake on their end and all I wanted was clarification. I'm sorry it went sour but I did text you as you said you were extremely busy & I then posted my thread. You also stated that the car needed nothing that you were aware of but the invoice from the shop said otherwise.

Considering all the scams out there I was doing my due diligence and was being very cautious, the name on the invoice that didn't match the name on the shops copies was what brought up a major red flag and that made me very uncomfortable. As I mentioned in my text(s) it wasn't personal, you were nice on the phone and I bare no grudges, end of.

By the way, I have the proof and I have no reason to lie and I did communicate a lot due to other red flags that I haven't mentioned here.

pmax 05-18-2017 07:01 AM

^^^ I believe you made the right call here.

Matt Monson 05-18-2017 08:04 AM

As we've seen recently in Washington, attack your detractors to gain credibility. It works from Cheeto, so why not car salesman?

kc911s 05-18-2017 09:24 AM

I love the "priced to sell fast" at $22,500 in his ad. It didn't sell fast at his original price, now he raises it and thinks it will sell even faster?? Makes me laugh.

War584 05-18-2017 10:32 AM

Now this is interesting....

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/6137253842.html

kc911s 05-18-2017 10:51 AM

Old Ranchy trying to make some $$$ of unknowing buyers. Gotta love the Porsche community.

Rawknees'Turbo 05-18-2017 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 9592199)
As we've seen recently in Washington, attack your detractors to gain credibility. It works from Cheeto, so why not car salesman?

Very funny (***forum dating***), butt is there a difference between the two?!?!

touringmandan 05-18-2017 11:46 AM

Re: IMS bearing and clutch for $1500
 
IMS bearing and clutch can be replaced for $1500.00? Really? The clutch kit cost is over $600, and the IMS bearing kit is around that number as well. Who is doing the wrenching? R&R a 996 C4S transaxle for cost on parts and $300!?

sugarwood 05-18-2017 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by touringmandan (Post 9592519)
IMS bearing and clutch can be replaced for $1500.00? Really?
The clutch kit cost is over $600, and the IMS bearing kit is around that number as well.

Who is doing the wrenching?

Edd China?

http://bangshift.com/wp-content/uplo.../edd-china.jpg

War584 05-18-2017 12:54 PM

TOTAL AND COMPLETE FRAUD - VERIFIED TODAY. I called on the Craigslist add, spoke with the owner. He put his car on Craigslist several weeks ago and has been negotiating with a foreign sounding individual who convinced him to remove the Craigslist add. which the owner did. The owner is straight shooter and has now put his car back on Craigslist, which is the above link above. It is legit. Car is in good shape but needs some repairs.

All the info Urseppos asked for, picture, repair bills, etc. was simultaneously requested of the owner and sent by Ranchy back to Urseppos. I spoke with Urseppos to compare notes and spoke with the owner who confirmed the guy sounds the same. The owner said his identity was stolen a month ago and this could be the result.

Mystery solved...Ranchy, you're a Fraud!!!!

Matt Monson 05-18-2017 01:01 PM

Well done.

Toast54 05-18-2017 05:09 PM

So, if the legitimate owner has relisted the CL ad at 29.9, how does he come up with a $1500 IMS AND clutch quote? What am I missing? Is he absorbing most of the repair cost in the sale?

Esel Mann 05-18-2017 05:38 PM

Somebody call Massengill customer disservice, there are douches on the loose!

urseppos 05-19-2017 03:01 PM

Quote:

It pays to communicate
Communicate we did but fortunately & unfortunately there was another Pelican that smelled a rat & that rat sounded like he was from West Africa, no disrespect towards anyone form WA. He portrayed himself as French born but when I asked him a question in french he said he didn't understand as he was brought up in the US. Such a thick accent & you were brought up in the US ?

He portrayed himself as someone else and he didn't have all his t's crossed & I's dotted and another Pelican caught on to similar. He did have the audacity to argue the toss on this forum and how easily some can be swayed, considering he/it has been on this site for a flipping nanosecond.

All sorted now bar the fact that this individual has an open account at Key Bank in Indianapolis where the toe rag wanted money deposited. Isn't this a Federal offense ? Just because he's been ousted here on Pelican doesn't mean that this "Kevin" won't do this to others in the not too distant future. This asshat needs to be behind bars.

tdw28210 05-31-2017 02:27 AM

Mods...I trust this guy has been banned. Correct?


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