Incorrect as there are no insurers currently that I am aware of that are admittedly sharing data with Carfax. If you think about it, it makes no sense as this would only help prove diminished value claims against them
So without doing the above hundreds of thousands of dollar survey one in my capacity cannot use my experience and knowledge to deduce the likelihood of a car accident ending up on carfax? When can common sense be used? When does someone in my capacity's opinion actually mean something? You act that unless someone has a degree in Carfax or has conducted an official survey that they cant have a valid idea of how inadequate Carfax really is. What am learning is that any opinion other than your own is just rubbish and foolish no matter what it is. Let go of my 99.9% already focus on the point that carfax cannot be utilized to determine if a car has been in an accident as virtually no one reports to them. That was my point and I tried to emphasize that by saying 99.9% to say how ridiculous they are.

Shockingly enough I have to agree with maninblack.

I wouldn't have said it in such an offensive way but from a statistical standpoint he's correct. I am also not trying to diminish your experience in the business but its really lacking in substance for the reasons he mentioned.

The 99 or 99.% figures are meaningless and your estimate that 50% of the cars you check for clients is pretty baseless too.

A better question to ask is what percentage of cars on the road that were sold after a certain date are actually accident free? Even still you'd have to define "accident free". Does respraying a panel because of a scratch define accident? In your case you may meter a cars paint and see its been sprayed and assume it was an accident.

What about a car that gets a nick or scrape at the port and is fixed by the manufacturer at port and sold new? Now its had paint work, is that an accident car? You might think so if you were looking at it for a customer.

According to you that number is somewhere around 50% ???? Do you really believe that?

I hate to say it but its really pointless to toss out numbers like 99 percent or even the 50% number on cars you looked at. To say "virtually no one reports to them" is really not accurate, and its totally baseless, especially given your own display of not knowing who or how accidents actually get reported to them.

Carfax is what it is. Its not perfect but people also use carfax to track the mileage, number of owners and service history too.

...except for our 2017, 3.6R apparently. The dashboard lit up like a Christmas tree 3 weeks ago after 8800 miles, 400 miles from home. AT oil Temp light, Check Engine light and every other light conceivable.

After diagnosis, including large metal shavings in the transmission fluid, they gave us a loaner for 10 days and installed a brand new CVT. It's not acting all that well now either, and I suspect more problems to come.

I was wary of that CVT to begin with, but now can't wait to be rid of it. Top of the line Subaru. Argh.

Not without sounding like a fool, you can't.


Well, it was really only a matter of time before you were right about something.

:)

Let's turn the tables for a minute, how about either one of you guys tell me who is it that you know of that reports to carfax as I already have told you for a fact who does not and several other industries(insurance) that vehemently claim they do not. Then maybe we can start to understand how accurate or inaccurate it is even possible to be. Start at 0% or 100% whichever you prefer and start making an educated guess. As a reminder The only known source of auto accidents that appear on carfax are from police and highway patrol reports. How many accidents out of the total amount of accidents do you feel get reported with either of these two agencies. Secondly not 100% of all police and chp reports go to carfax.
To answer your question about what is an accident well I think for the purposes of buying a car a buyer would like to know any/all things that have been damaged and painted on a car, pre delivery port damage or otherwise. Wouldn't you? I've seen some horrific port repair work more than once. Who's the definer of minor versus major damage? I want to know all of it.

The insurance industry says at least 10 million crashes a year based on claims. Mind you that they don't know how many go unclaimed. It appears there are roughly 6 million police reported accidents each year. So it looks like the 50% rough guess is likely very close. Who knows there could be 10 million unreported insurance claims which would put the police reported only at 25% just guessing so don't burn me at the stake geezus. So we are we now somewhere between my guess of 25-50% minus the ones that don't end up on carfax for whatever reason plus the ones that mysteriously make their way on to carfax equals ??? To me it equals a very inaccurate source for accident history of a car

No. How about you stop talking about things you know nothing about and go back to sanding that fender? Neither of us has made any claim about anything specific regarding CarFax (other than your ignorance, which is a given) so we have nothing to defend.

https://www.carfax.com/company/vhr-data-sources

That took me all of 15 seconds. You're a moron.

No your are not.

Anybody using a 99.9% reference about anything should shake their head.

I use to review FMEA that would say that the item would not fail in 1,000 years only to fail in less then 2 years in operation.

And even after I told the repair facility that I was not going through the insurance company, they did report my "brush with the cement pillar" to Carfax...

Please come visit me and talk to me like that in person. Did you even read the info on what you linked? Almost every source that provides information to them is providing mileage and salvage title related info. Collision shops do not report to them that's total crap as we've already gone through major discussions with them and they have declared in writing that Bodyshop's do not have a mechanism to report to them. This was as a result of several body shops being accused of furnishing info to them by their customers. Keep thinking what you want about carfax and by all means use it to know your next car has never been in an accident

Clearly 99.9% was an exaggeration to drive my point that it is horribly inaccurate as I've stated above

Should not have use it in the first place...

If you have nothing to defend then shut the f up and move along you troll

Maybe some data from somewhere other than their own marketing department might be useful. That link is their own attempt to sound legitimate and thorough because they know they are the exact opposite. Anyone in the business knows carfax is a joke and is only to be used to rule out buying a car but should never be used as a reinforcement to buy a car and that was my whole point. Try not being such a dick

Yeah, I would make this up... You are an idiot.

If you Paypal me $39.99, I'll send you the pre and post Carfax.

I just saw that you are in Canada perhaps it's different there as I mentioned previously we have gone round and round with carfax and they have very clearly stated that they do not take information from Bodyshop's. Sorry for the insult

Yes, it might be different North of the border.

On my 911, the Carfax shows every visit to any from government registration (every 2 years) to any visit to independent repair shop.

Fair, I'll take back my "idiot" comment...

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Careful. People like you should be very sure of yourself before threatening people like me. Very sure. Like 99.9% sure.

Let's review where the CarFax info comes from:

https://www.carfax.com/company/vhr-data-sources

• U.S. motor vehicle agencies - Uncover past accidents
• Collision repair facilities - Uncover past accidents that resulted in repairs
• Insurance companies - Identify accidents which may not have resulted in salvage/junk titles
• Salvage auctions - Identify salvaged cars that may not have been assigned salvage titles by motor vehicle agencies
• Automotive recyclers - Identify damage events that may not have been reported to law enforcement agencies or insurance companies
• Rental/fleet vehicle companies - Learn damage history
• Law enforcement agencies - Uncover past accidents

Now let's review your statement just for fun!

I love this. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone make this many idiotic statements in such a short period of time. Remarkable, really.

But enough. You're clearly not equipped to engage in any serious conversation at this level. It's just unfair so I'm going to quit picking on you. Go back to your reruns of Two and a Half Men and just try to forget about all of this before it leaves a scar.

What I'm 99.9% sure about is that you need to get a life and I feel sorry for anyone close to you. Again you have not proven anything by quoting off of carfax'a marketing info page. I am very confident in my opinion and knowledge of carfax. You can go back to your video games and lonely life you miserable excuse for a Porsche owner. My invitation still stands I'm not scared of someone who comes on the internet and try's to be a tough guy ******* as a real tough guy will be the last guy trying to belittle people on the internet to try and make himself feel bigger. Get a life