Need Pelican braintrust on selling car

[Rodsrsr]

Due to a different direction in life I may soon be selling by long time German friend. Having said that, I'm looking to the Pelican brain trust to get an idea of what would be an appropriate price. Ive owned the car for the past 25 years and it started out as a 76 912E Roller that was in excellent condition. (Cal car) My logic was that regardless of what model I started with it would be so heavily modded that it wouldn't matter. Additionally I didnt want to be the guy to blame for molesting another pure 911S lol. Car is completely gone through so any trace of 912 have been removed from existence. 3.2 with a recent top end rebuild. New valves, 20/21 web grind cams, new timing chains, ramps,ect. Motor is healthy. Precision ball bearing turbo with MSD, MAF with split second controller. 915 was rebuilt and in perfect working order. (yes I know this is the one area that could be improved) Upgraded suspension, hollow T-bars, 23/28...22mm ft sway bar. Rear coil over helpers with reinforced shock towers. Lindsay Fuchs, 17x11 & 17x9 315/35/17 and 255/45/17 new tires. Boxster calipers all around. Interior is fairly stark with period correct Recaro LS seats (recently reupholstered with original material) new headliner. Paint is in very good condition. Car is basically dialed and is incredibly fast, weighing in at 2250 due to FG doors, hood, fenders, bumpers and tail. However the car retains power windows and complete interior panels. The bad is that although Ive had it registered for the last 15 years in CAL and its not a problem for me, the car obviously does not meet CA smog requirements so may have to sell it out of state or as a track car. Anyway, all comments welcome....Thanks.

[McLaren-TAG]

These things are always difficult to price. On the one hand you have your labor of love, it's your car with your mods and your priorities. It have value to you in not just the lengthy list of mods but the labor of love in taking it from where it was to where it is now. You've been the steward of it and it seems like a hella fun ride.

On the dollars and cents side though you have a bastardized car where very little is left stock and repairs, and perhaps even routine maintenance will require deep knowledge of all things Porsche. You're stuck selling it to an enthusiast who knows what they're buying and was likely to take a car and follow the same path that you started it on.

If most things are done, there's little to do other than to delve into the things that would cost quite a bit of $. The interior from the pics looks a bit rough and there's zero in the way of collectible left in it, so you've whittled your potential buyer's pool to pretty much someone that's reading the Pelican forums that was looking to build something along the lines of just what you've built.

From that guy, you could probably get $25k from anyone else, you're going to struggle to get that much because all of the things they're going to see is what they'll need to change ($pend) to get that car to where they envision it.

Genuinely hoping for a win win situation for both you as the seller and whomever winds up buying it. You could get quite a bit of cash parting it out as it sounds like there's a good amount of mods that people here crave but parting out that would be a shame and I'm sure would be something you'd regret forever if she's been the labor of love that you've described.

[RSBob]

Market it as a ‘76 fully customized turbo’d hotrod. I would state that your platform started from a 912 which you transformed into a fire breathing monster... or something to that effect. As the say in marketing, sell the sizzle. Hit on its weight and dyno numbers, full cage, wheels and tire sizes. Beat the performance drum to get performance minded buyers interested. You may want to say this beast can be purchased for pennies on the dollar.

With all you have done you may want to start at $60K.

I would start high in price since you can always bring it down later.

[steely]

Das tut mir leid.
If it's any consolation, it looks effing awesome.

[michael lang]

TAG has a very good point. You are obviously really passionate about YOUR car. It's a car that I think you will get a lot of opinions on, "awesome looker", "ridiculous power" but when it comes time for someone to actually step up to the plate I think your challenge will be a little steeper than what you think. You have done the car the way you have envisioned it to be which may not be the way the new owner would have it. All the same reasons why race cars many times sit in the market place. Eventually someone looking for what you've done will find your car or someone willing to settle on your mods and make the necessary changes to the way they want your car to turn into their car.

I agree with RSBob that you should definitely highlight all the things that you have completed. Maybe even show a pictorial history of the transformation to help you get someone over the edge especially if you have someone that is interested more in NA versus forced induction. 60 may be wishful thinking but if you can find someone to step up to that than more power to you. People are a lot more savvy and would definitely read through you if you put out a number like that to see what you can get and then come down. I believe you will get very little interest if any at all. The only thing they would see is '76 912 $60,000.

Their is no doubt that you will never get back what you put into the car whether it be labor of love/financial investment and the fact that you've owned this car for 25 years, I guarantee there is an emotional attachment to the car. It really depends on what your willing to accept and how urgent you are to sell your car. You may decide that you feel like you deserve $80K for the car no matter how long it takes or you might be in a situation where you need $25,000 last week and have to give that thing away.

Regardless of all that, you have a really nice car that you should be very proud of so if you do end up selling it, I hope is that your car lands with someone that takes as good as if not better care of it than you have.

[famoroso]

One data point that you may consider obtaining is what kind of reserve price you can negotiate with Bring A Trailer. They've auctioned a number of hotrods and backdates, etc. Sooner rather successfully.

You might also ping someone like an Auto Kennel to see what they'd consider listing it for on consignment.

Good luck. I'm kicking around the idea of a 997.2 Turbo S, but would need to sell my heavily modified track toy Lotus Elise. Different marque, similar challenge.

[Harpo]

Good looking car. Like other's have posted a heavily modified car makes people anxious unless they are very mechanically inclined or have a really good mechanic.

[DanielDudley]

Car looks awesome, and I'm sure it goes well. If it had the name of some Cali shop on it, it would go for over 50 K I'm sure, with a little detail work.

Personally, I wouldn't sell it for less than 30, but you have to put a price on it that works for you.
Remember, you only need one buyer who wants what you are selling, so what do you think it is worth ?

[Matt Monson]

I think $25k is a 5 year old price for this car. It's $40-50k all day long these days, and that's with the market slumping.

I agree with the BaT suggestion. The peanut gallery will pick it apart like nobody's business, but it's where you will most easily find buyers on a national stage that are into a car like this. I'm into it. I just don't need a car like this...

[Rodsrsr]

Thank you everyone for all the advise and kind words. Fortunately, I'm in a position of no hurry and may not even sell. I've just noticed that over the last few years I drive it less and less so I guess I'm flirting with the idea and realize that if I decide to sell, it would be wise to do so at a time like this instead of waiting until I need to.

[356911930]

What a great Car! Mostly what I would like in a hotrod. Most of the car I like some I would personally change. But...the dash and underdash wiring has got to be cleaned up to sell. The market is in a downward trend, in my opinion, so the faster you sell the better.

If you want to sell it sooner then later shoot for $45,000 and settle just north of $40,000. JMHO

Best of luck,

Rahl

[RSBob]

Check this out on BAT. Reserve not met at $28K

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-porsche-911sc-15/

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by RSBob

Check this out on BAT. Reserve not met at $28K

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-porsche-911sc-15/

Not a comp. 964 conversions don't bring the ching.

[McLaren-TAG]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Not a comp. 964 conversions don't bring the ching.

Did you catch the part about the OP's car being a 912? A bastardized car is always going to be seen as a bastardized car by 95% of the buying market. Of the remaining 5% that will see the value it does have, most of those would be looking to do something other than what you've done with the car to make it theirs.

I'm not sure about west coast prices but in the east coast, the only cars bringing in the 45 and 50k prices are extremely original, sub 70k mile examples that are very well maintained.

I bought my car for 17.5K back in the day, the seller had a stack of bills that exceeded 30k in parts, labor, maintenance and performance upgrades. You never ever get your customization money back.

[1979-930]

Nice car. I would probably use a 912 too for a build like yours.

I think this is a good comp.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/967084-price-reduced-kremer-engined-1975-911s.html

Guy cant sell it at $44k
Yes yours is Turbo with more power and different style. But the work and money spent is comparable. Unfortunately you are going to have a hard time getting more than $40k for your car. I'd just keep it.

Plus AB-1274 is on the Governors desk as of Friday and things may change for 75 to 79 cars next year. It will open up a whole new group of buyers if that happens.

And based on the landscape and house style any chance you are in the Carmichael or Fair Oaks area? I could use your Emissions connection if AB-1274 Fails.

[Rodsrsr]

Good news on AB-1274 I thought that died a while back. I tend to think that the term "bastardization" is more reserved for Porsches that have been modded in a non-Porsche way. V8 conversions, custom, paint, interiors, wheels, ect... A wide body turbo look is very common in the Porsche community along with turboing the 3.2. The same car could have been sporting an aftermarket long hood and fenders and be hailed as another glorious backdate. The car is what it is, a highly modded 76 coupe, which is actually a great platform since the 912E is fully galvanized. I'm still on the fence on it. As I said, I really dont drive it very much and after recently purchasing a 997.2 I'm really just not into it like i used to be. I may still be in the romance faze with the 997 though. I appreciate all the feedback, and now have an idea of where to price it and what to expect if I decide to go that route.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by McLaren-TAG

Did you catch the part about the OP's car being a 912? A bastardized car is always going to be seen as a bastardized car by 95% of the buying market. Of the remaining 5% that will see the value it does have, most of those would be looking to do something other than what you've done with the car to make it theirs.

I'm not sure about west coast prices but in the east coast, the only cars bringing in the 45 and 50k prices are extremely original, sub 70k mile examples that are very well maintained.

I bought my car for 17.5K back in the day, the seller had a stack of bills that exceeded 30k in parts, labor, maintenance and performance upgrades. You never ever get your customization money back.

I am guessing you don't follow BaT much. Hot rods have been commanding very respectable prices the last 6 months to a year.

My comment about 964 conversions has to do with the look. Updated cars have never brought much money. One can't compare an IROC look car to a 964 turbo look built on a G body. They just aren't the same thing or same buyer. The 912E vin is kind of irrevelant. What brings the money is the build quality and overall package. For that 964 "rep" to be in the game it would need a minimum of a 3.6 swap and not be a 3.2, but best would be a turbo engine like is in the OP's car. Can't have all that show with no go and expect to bring the buyers out.

[bpu699]

Selling this car on a Porsche board will net you prices on the lower end....

You need to sell it on eBay simple as a "Porsche." Mention custom, mention turbo.

You want an enthusiast looking for a fun track car or some kid looking for a joy toy.

For that audience, a 35-40k$ dollar Porsche turbo anything sounds cheap...

Not sure what you might get, but more than you will on a Porsche site... On a Porsche site, if it's not stock, it's an issue...


Here's a comparison. I really want a viper. Know nothing about them. Years don't matter much, it's gotta be reasonably cheap so I can track it....

I look on Craigslist and eBay and see tons of cars... The less expensive ones seem attractive. I have little idea what their worth, what's hot, what's not.

But wouldn't mind buying a cheap one just for the helluva it. Accidents ok. Turbocharged ok...

Now, I know a lot about Porsches. Owned and fixed most of them. Know which ones cost a more, which ones less.

On the flip side, I know squat about vipers...

You want a guy like me, looking for a Porsche .

Lots of guys buy restomods... You just need to reach that audience...