Value of 2.7 engine?
 

Hi guys,

I need to sell this 2.7. I think this photo shows all the parts but not exactly sure right now. I bought this engine from a factory Porsche mechanic who threw out any part that wasn’t in Spec. Everything disassembled, clean, and ready to be put back together.

Thanks for your help!

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Bruce

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$4-5k.

Really? Please explain, or are you pulling my leg?

It's a 77 core longblock in pieces. No fan, shroud, tin, cooler or injection. It's just the block. Some mechanic once said it was good stuff. I buy this engine I am measuring and inspecting every part over again and no doubt sending some of it out for machine work. I'm probably going to spend $5k just getting the block, heads, and rotating assembly done.

Matt, to be clear, I’m looking for a guideline asking price to sell the engine, not what it would take to build it.

And it wasn’t just some random mechanic, this guy was factory trained expert in these engines. He has an impeccable reputation across fifty years of Porsches.

I wasn't quoting what it would take to put back together. It's a core in pieces. You can sell it for $4-5k. If you don't believe me, go look at the last 60 days of the classifieds. There have been 6-8 2.7s in various condition for sale. Make your own assessment.

It is a random mechanic. He didn't sign his name to it. He didn't write down his measurements on each thing to be used. Whatever work he did making sure it was right is lost to the ages. It doesn't matter. It's just a core that's probably mostly in spec.

My $5k number was machine work. Buy this core for $5k and do $5k of machine work and you're a good way there. With all the missing stuff, it's likely $15-20k to build this engine.

Well thank you for your response, I sincerely appreciate you. That’s much higher than I thought it would be. I looked through the classifieds and saw a bunch of dirty, condition unknown engines. I see what you mean.

Frankly, I'd be hard pressed to pay $4K. But I'm sure others would. Everybody's different.

Buying a motor in pieces is rolling the dice...

Hard sell...

Suspect anyone buying it will make an extremely conservative offer...

Good luck...

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Unless there’s an implicit guarantee here by the seller these are known good parts.

I’ll offer $1200-1500 in all seriousness assuming there is a crankshaft included

A 7r case is worth $1500. That offer is a joke.

I think 4-5K, like Matt says, makes a fair deal for both parties.

Yeah, I haven't seen prices like this - since forever. Not even in 2012 before the boom.

As a price point, I sold a similar engine ( bit more complete and a '74 non-S) for $3k late last year.

Todd

You can buy a running 2.7 that doesn’t need rebuild if your patient for $5000-6500 so that’s what I base my offer on. I’m starting from the top and subtracting. You are starting from the bottom and adding. Not to mention there was a 75 2.7 all in parts including CIS system and RS pistons for $2250 not too long ago. I stand by my offer

I would think you could get 3k for this engine. I would start an ad at 4k here in the Pelican classifieds.
Understanding the Pelican classified section is a reverse auction, people will start bidding on it through PM's till you get a number close to 3k.
Or you could list it on E-bay and have a auction that goes the other way, then start at 2k and it will get to 3k or maybe over.
I would pay $1.500.00 for this engine in a heart beat, knowing two people who will pay that amount let's you know it would sell higher than that.
Good luck.

Great info. Thanks guys!

Another question: examining the head studs, are these inserts factory or an add on? If add on what are they? Time cert, helicoil? I have no idea.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1512744144.jpg

This boat anchor is NOT a comp to this engine:
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Otherwise there are two 76 takeouts out there at $4500, and a 75 at $5k. Then there's a Farmers built RS spec engine on carbs for $10k.

There are two cases for between $1500-2500 and several cranks in the $800-1000 range.

Puma, those are time certs. The buyer of your engine may be able to avoid sending the case off to Ollies for $3k of machine work. Cases that have been to Ollies and are ready to build are generally being offered in the $4500-6000 range.

Call Ollies. Perhaps they have the engine serial on record. It's a long shot, but that might be a phone call worth several thousand.

If I were in the market for another 2.7, i would offer $3.5K-$4K for your engine. Regardless of the stated condition, it is still an unknown and I would also think of it as a core.

regards,
al

1) Yes, you can buy a supposed running engine for this. I have looked at the 2.7 market for years for a spare engine. Many do run, but almost all do not have paperwork to back anything up. 90% of the engines on here have the old story 'Was supposedly rebuilt, but I don't have the paperwork.' What does that mean? It means it's an old engine that I would buy with the intent to rebuild.

2) That's fine to subtract. You can find a CIS depending on the month, for around $500. This has not changed since 2012. People have hoarded them, then have decided to move on. Some go for much cheaper. Depends on who wants one.

3) You are forgetting that all these parts probably are good. They are probably all rebuildable parts. Many engines on here are suspect. Who knows what's going on with them.

4) Yeah, a nice fan and housing now costs $1K. Alternators are worth next to nothing, even rebuilt. A shroud, oil cooler, etc, can be found. If you really wanted one of these, some decent people around here would give you a break for your own motor I am sure and help you out. Most mufflers on these supposed 'running' motors on here are junk.

5) I think $3K is reasonable for these parts nowadays. If he wants to get what Matt says it's worth, which he may very well be able to, he'll probably need to hold on to it for a few months. Holidays and winter mean nothing on pricing, because this is when most people build their motor for spring.

Sure you can get lucky. There are still quite of few 2.7s under tarps, in sheds, in the corners of garages - running take-outs that people replaced with 3.0s when they had the time, energy, and money. They are out there. For me I am waiting for one that doesn't cost a ton and has some documents as a spare. I like the 2.7 CIS engine. I will not put a 3.0 or something else in my '75.

I don't disagree with anything written but I will highlight the word "probably" that you used. Just like the motors without paperwork you have to assume that all has to be re-inspected, re-machined, re-placed, etc, etc. So as a core disassembled long block that's all its worth to me. Don't confuse my offer with me telling him what its worth as others have clearly done. Lastly finding all of the parts in one place has an enormous value to me. You almost have to buy another motor to make sure you get everything you need

toss it in the classifieds with a 4500 ask and see what happens. If you get chirping crickets for 2 days you know you are too high. Is the crank included and magnafluxed/ checked etc? That is a chuck of $ right there.

It's a 77, not a 73S or a '66' family engine (663/664 or 665 are 2.7 RS engines). Yours is not the best engine to make a hot rod out of, demand is rather limited.

That is really all it is, supply and demand.

Doesn't look like the engine serial number is stamped in the usual way or in the usual place.

Prepared for a 'polo' upgrade

All the rods are there, just not visible in the photo. Anyway, my financial situation rapidly improved so I don’t need to sell the engine after all. Perhaps I’ll change my mind down the road. I may build it up to Bruce Anderson’s RS specs.

Thank you for all your insights.