Who is interested in express close sunroof?

umnitza · 08-03-2003, 09:04 PM

A very good and technical member on the board has put together a very nice device that will allow the following to happen:

Express close the sunroof with the "second click"
Allow the sunroof to express open even if you start the car while you've pressed express open (not often, but I did it and though it was pretty cool that the circuit wasn't turned off).
Allow you to literally plug it in and go in about 2 minutes
Express tilt back.

So, yes, we can all get our 5 seconds of life back and stop flipping off the guy behind us.

On 95-97, 98-99 E36s with sunroofs and even rear windows for sedans. It will only work if you switch has a yellow back or a green back.

More details to follow
Price? $30-37.

Yes, there are other products on the market. But none as as slick as this.

Release is probably 2 weeks away if there is interest

supertack · supertack's Garage

Is this as easy as changing out the sunroof switch to a green back, 'one touch' style that is commonly used on the doors? I've been asking about this procedure in the post 'One Touch Window Switch', but couldn't get any definitive answers.

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This is what I was contemplating replacing my sunroof switch with. It seems like it should work pretty flawlessly, since it is almost identically to the original sunroof switch, with the exception that this is a 'one touch' switch used on the doors.

If this proceedure won't work, count me in on your little gizmo!

umnitza · 08-04-2003, 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by supertack
Is this as easy as changing out the sunroof switch to a green back, 'one touch' style that is commonly used on the doors? I've been asking about this procedure in the post 'One Touch Window Switch', but couldn't get any definitive answers.

[img]http://www.************/assets/product_images/hardpart/61318365300.jpg[/img]

This is what I was contemplating replacing my sunroof switch with. It seems like it should work pretty flawlessly, since it is almost identically to the original sunroof switch, with the exception that this is a 'one touch' switch used on the doors.

If this proceedure won't work, count me in on your little gizmo!

Nope. While that switch is one that will work. Ours is a more elegant solution. You don't have to replace your switch, you just attach to it

And it will give you the one touch. However, if you have four doors, the rear switches aren't designed for it, you'll have to update those switches before you can take advantage of it.

matthew-m · 08-04-2003, 11:03 AM

I'm interested if I'm understanding it correctly. Since I already have one touch open for everything, this will add one touch close to the sunroof and rear windows (when I update the switches)? If this is correct count me in!

Jared at Pelican Parts · 08-04-2003, 11:04 AM

can you give a application list?

mike944 · 08-04-2003, 11:11 AM

It won't work on a '94???

umnitza · 08-04-2003, 11:36 AM

Most likely it will work with cars that have the yellow back or green backed switches.

That means that if you have a white backed switch, you need a new one.

Additionally, if you have a "double detent" switch it should theoretically work too.

We're working on one for the basic switch that if you hold it for 1 second it will work or double pump or something like that

It's just logic

I don't want to say it won't work on a 94, but I can't promise it.
We know it works on 95s-99s. Even though those are different switches (mostly I think due to different logic and wiring).

Jared at Pelican Parts · 08-04-2003, 03:39 PM

Matt, assuming you could checnge the control module, you suppose this could be modified to work on E30's as well?

umnitza · 08-04-2003, 03:41 PM

I think it's possible for sure. As long as the switchgear is changed.

If I had time, I'm in LA, I'd stop in and have you guys take a look at the car. How late are you open?

Jared at Pelican Parts · 08-04-2003, 03:42 PM

Im here unitl 5 today.

umnitza · 08-04-2003, 04:35 PM

tomorrow

e30is4me · 08-05-2003, 10:24 PM

Matt,
I would be VERY interested in this application as I am sure anyone with a 96 and below would be. Am I correct to assume that this is basically a "1-touch" adition to non 1-touchers?
I think only e36's below 96 or 97 were missing that option.
I also assume that you would need to change the motor to accomidate this technology. I have heard this many times, I may be wrong though.

Hope to see this work.

I have 1-touch on my e30's sunroof and windows already!

Greatest thing ever. Dont know of any other e30's with it.
Hoooray Jim Powell!

-Jason
"STFU Alumni"
lol

mikehd · 10-29-2003, 08:59 PM

Any update on this product?

umnitza · 10-29-2003, 09:19 PM

These products have been in operation for over a month now with over 100 satisfied customers.

There is a wait list of 20 more and we are building 50 at this rate.

All 96 and up cars are eligible, not 96 and down as my STFU alumni likes to point out.

mikehd · 10-29-2003, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by umnitza
These products have been in operation for over a month now with over 100 satisfied customers.

There is a wait list of 20 more and we are building 50 at this rate.

All 96 and up cars are eligible, not 96 and down as my STFU alumni likes to point out.

Thanks, I need it for a '95.

umnitza · 10-29-2003, 11:05 PM

95s are a tough bunch

They simply don't have the easiest of switches.

e30is4me · 10-29-2003, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by umnitza
95s are a tough bunch They simply don't have the easiest of switches.

Mike,
I am in the same boat as you...

No 95 love...

supertack · supertack's Garage

What I don't understand is, if simply changing out the sunroof switch to a green back 'one touch' style (for $35) will work, than what is the advantage to your product? The install can't be any easier than changing a switch, the esthetics don't seem to be any different, the availability isn't as difficult, & It's hard to believe the cost can be much lower. Enlighten me.

umnitza · 10-30-2003, 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by supertack
What I don't understand is, if simply changing out the sunroof switch to a green back 'one touch' style (for $35) will work, than what is the advantage to your product? The install can't be any easier than changing a switch, the esthetics don't seem to be any different, the availability isn't as difficult, & It's hard to believe the cost can be much lower. Enlighten me.

Prepare for the enlightenment

The E36 models in 96-97 & 98-99 began using a green/yellow backed switch for the sunroof (prior it was a white backed switch). This switch had two detents for forward/close of the sunroof, and two detents for back/open. The green back and the yellow back differed ever so slightly from each other and the pins on the back of these switches differed as well, but the logic is the same.

The switches ONLY allow you to express/one-touch open the roof. Even though the second detent for one-touch close is provided, it's not in the logic program on these switches.

What our product does is sit between the adapter that inserts into the switch and the switch. It takes on the logic control duties from the switch and effectively enables that second detent for one-touch closing of the roof.

There are NO OEM switches that do this because they don't have that logic coming from the HARNESS. The switch itself has that logic/capability (witness the second detent on the close side of the switch), but the logic inside the main computer simply doesn't exist.

Now, there are other systems for $40 and $50 on the market that literally REMOVE your existing switch and in its place put a non-OEM switch (it looks close to OEM, but not close enough) and require you to do some fancy shmancy wiring.

What our switch allows you to do is go inside the sunroof panel, completely undetected. Splice into 1 power wire with our provided t-tap to give our logic controller power and that it.

Since the connectors are different for both switches, we have a universal adapter in the works as well so we simply ship one switch and if you made a mistake and ordered a yellow backed model but actually have a green back (or vice versa) it won't matter.

In Summary:
Switches in 96+ E36s have a second detent for one-touch close
The logic is not accessible using OEM wiring
Our logic control "unlocks" that feature
It's easy to install.

Here's a link to people that purchased it:
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139769&highlight=sunroof+switch

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=128329&highlight=sunroof+switch

Hope that helps.

supertack · supertack's Garage

Ok, that makes sense. Of what I understood (from your initial reply at the start of this thread), it was feasible to simply plug in a 'one touch' style switch to the sunroof & get those results. That now seem not to be the case. What are you charging for your little contraption?