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Originally posted by techweenie
Well, first of all, this thread was about politicians pandering to Spanish speakers.
I thought there were already enough anti-immigrant threads. Guess not.
So here's the deal. A large percentage of businesses depend on "illegals" and are never punished for hiring them. There is always work here for reliable, low-wage workers, and so the workers come.
I don't care how many radio and TV pundits making $500K and up say the "illegals take work away from willing Americans." They don't. Americans want higher-paying, cushier jobs. Illegals will take the hard, unglamorous work and not expect to be made 'manager' in two weeks. And they show up. And they aren't druggies and drama queens.
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There has never been an "anti-immigrant" thread here, and I have never met anyone who is against legal immigration. My ancestors, as well as yours and everyone else here were immigrants. Is there some mental tic that prevents you from calling illegal immigrants what they are?? How about let's call them "undocumented", it doesn't sound as bad and suggests that their status is a mere technicality, some document that they do not possess.
The document that they do not possess, or are they going to possess in the future, is a
visa that would allow them to visit or live in this country. I guess either you believe in the fundamental right of all countries to control their border and who they allow in, or you do not. I do and clearly you do not. There is no less blunt way to put it, so please do not use dishonest or disingenious language when discussing it. It's insulting.
I agree that the American (or any other) businessman will exploit cheap labor sources, it's human nature. We need to cut off their supply and make them sink or swim in the real world. Change the rules if necessary, but an open border is not the solution. We could have all the legal immigration that we want and it would be a lot fairer if not for massive Mexican illegal immigration.
As to your final statement about the non-existence of actual American blue-collar workers whose wages and job opportunities are hurt by uncontrolled illegal immigration, where do you get the balls to lie like that? Do you think that the only one reading this is a bunch of fat, soft ass people in cubicles or day-trading on their computers? OK, you don't have to answer that.
The fact of the matter is that while it is true that hispanics are mostly good, hardworking people that are overwhelmingly blue-collar, there are millions and millions of US citizens who are as well and have a right to work and live in a country that enforces immigration law. I work in a blue-collar trade and can tell you absolutely, 100% that my wages and amount of work available are negatively affected by the sheer numbers of people here looking for similar work. You do not need to be Stephen Hawkings to do the ******* math. I don't know what you actually do for a living, but you sound like someone with a tenuous grasp on reality who listens to politically charged radio programs and assumes that others get their info the same way, as opposed to empirically from living in the real world. You even parrot the tired talking points of the pro-illegal immigration forces, who are almost completely self-interested only. I care about my own welfare, but also the welfare of my country above the needs of Mexico.