Ok update time again!
The ribs have been in for 2 1/2 hours now and it's time to put them in foil (I let them go another 30 minutes to get a little more color to them.
Here's the ribs now:
I put 2 racks on a sheet of foil, baste with a little apple juice and then crimp up the foil, like this:
Now the ribs go back into the smoker for another hour to hour and a half...this is where you have to kinda judge it to know when they are done.
Oh yeah, the shoulder is doing just fine

...you can also see all the trimmed bits I am cooking for snack: