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Originally Posted by sammyg2

You simply do not have a clue about what you are talking about and are making things up that are not true at all.
Lets talk about Vietnam first.
Here's a direct quote from the memoirs of General Nguyen Vo Giap, commanding general of the North Vietnamese army. He was 2nd in charge of North Vietnam answering only to Ho Chi Minn. He was the top military commander of the NVA during the entire war.
Lets see what he had to say:

Quote:
"What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender. It was the same at the battle of Tet. You defeated us. We knew it. We thought you knew it. But we were elated to notice that your media was definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefield. We were ready to surrender. You had won."



You would think that the head of the entire north Vietnamese military and second in charge of the country would know what was going on, but apparently some yahoo in the United States (you) who might have overheard a conversation once or accidentally caught a glimpse of it on the history channel before he could find the remote knows more about what was going on over there than General Giap.

Now onto Korea:
Most folks don't know that the Korean war actually started before the end of WWII. Japan had annexed Korea just after the turn of the century and had occupied the country until Russia invaded in August 1945.

The US was busy fighting the Japanese and the Soviets were still in very bad shape after fighting the Germans, so they both agreed not to start another fight. later than year, the United States and the Soviet Union agreed to administer the country under the U.S.-Soviet Joint Commission, as termed by the Moscow Conference of Foreign Ministers. It was agreed that Korea would govern itself independently after four years of international oversight with both the U.S. and the USSR approved Korean-led governments in their respective halves, the north favoring communism and the south a democratic government.

In 1950 the United States said that Korea was not their problem and asked the UN to take over. This was the weakness the soviets and Stalin were waiting for.


(wiki)
In June 1950 they attacked.
South Korea had about 150,000 soldiers and a handful of tanks. North Korea, alongside Chinese soldiers armed with soviet weapons and with soviet airplanes, attacked with almost 1/2 a million soldiers.
While the politicians were arguing at the UN, south Korea was falling to the communists.
At the time it was also known that the communists intended to keep going, invading Taiwan as soon as South Korea fell and then onto Vietnam, Laos, etc.

We didn't want to fight another war but we couldn't sit back and watch as country after country was attacked, pillaged, and raped.

We sent in troops, but too small of a group to have a chance.
They got spanked and the US commanding general was taken prisoner.
The soviets had stolen 90% of the country.
That's when we got pissed. We started bombing the north, we started cutting off their supply lines from China and from the USSR, and we sent in enough troops to get the job done.
We started kicking butt and taking names and drove the bad guys way up past the 38th parallel, almost all the way to the Chinese border.
China was worried that we wouldn't stop as they knew that we knew they were doing in Korea, so they called up the people volunteer army, and sent in an additional 300k or so soldiers. No one knows exactly how many Chinese soldiers we were fighting but most people say we were outnumbered at least 3 to 1. but we were still holding our own.
Eventually the call for peace talks brought both sides to the table. They finally agreed to re-establish the demilitarized zone at the 38th parallel, right where it was. The entire communist block attacked us, and they gained absolutely nothing. it was a stalemate. They gained nothing and we stopped them from taking south-east Asia by force.

But you say we got our butts kicked.
Try not to type things that aren't true. We will call you on it every time and you'll end up looking foolish.

the General Nguyen Vo Giap ''QUOTE'' is BOGUS he never ever said that
that comes from some lieing neo-cons blog
neo-con's sure do love the big lie but I already found that ''QUOTE'' to be BS

now we did win every battle with our US troops in the war and never got beat
but the true General Nguyen Vo Giap ''QUOTE'' is ''we fought one day longer''
as they never had to beat the USA just out last them
now if you and the other neo-conned wanted to send your sons and funds to
support the south viets just know that the war would still be on going today
30+ years on

now on to Korea

few if any Chinese were in the first wave and not 500k of them
almost all were N Korean sure they had russian and Chinese equipment
the USA and UN troops lost at first to the N Korean army
but after MacA invaded at inchon
they chased the mostly N Korean troops up to near the Chinese border
THEN the Chinese troops did pour in and they did push our side back down to the 1/2 way line at the 38th parallel where the whole war started and ended