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Originally Posted by Jim Bremner
1st thing is that any safe can be defeated. I've missed some good deals on used tl15 and 30's due to cashflow.
If I was buying a NEW safe I would look at Gun Safes : Fire Safe Manufacturer : Sturdy Gun Safe
They do have a great product and yes, built here in the states. Please watch his vidios. I will upgrade my amsec to a sturdy when I can.
2nd, a safe is only part of the plan. You need to keep it out of site from anyone that comes into your home. You also need to make sure that they can not cart it of somewhere else to open it. Mine is bolted into my homes 1 1/2" tounge and grove flooring with 1/2" lag bolts. It's stuck into a corner to prevent pry attacks on the door seams plus to deny 3 sides to fire and attack. next it's in a closet so that it's harder to work tools around. When my safe door opens it sends an alert to my cell as well.
Most of us have worked with metal. we know what it takes to bend,cut and rip apart things. Most safes are too weak!
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Jim
I have a fiend who is a collector and dealer in rarities. He deals in just about everything you could imagine except for firearms.
His house is littered with safes. All of them are ex commercial bank safes he bought second hand (for not a lot of money). About six months ago he was broken into and the crooks didn't get any of his safes open.
All of them are bolted down to the concrete slab in his house. They had a serious go because the Police estimated they were in his house for hours. Three of the safes were scared with multiple cuts and drill holes.
Is buying a second hand Bank Safe an option?
I helped move the three damaged safes in my friends house and they are very very heavy. We used a small pallet like, lifting device that he had rented that was rated at 20 tonnes.
Even using that it was hard work. It took over and hour per safe to get them out of his house. The biggest/heaviest one was 2,500 kg.