Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Porsche Forums > 911 / 930 Turbo & Super Charging Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered
 
jbrown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: highland mills NY
Posts: 593
meth injection

I have been using meth injection for about 10 yrs know with good results.
Since I have changed over to EFI , the meth is not atomizing to vapor and is screwing up my TPMS sensor. Took it off and it is filled with water. I have the meth injector on the out pipe of the intercooler right above the throttle body. I was thinking of moving it to the intake pipe of the intercooler , so it has a little more time to turn to vapor. What do you meth guys think and does anyone else have this problem.
Thanks John

__________________
83 sc cab turbo widebody. 3.5 liter supertec motor, B&B headers, EFI electromotive TecGT, TurboKraft GT35R billet turbo, 964 cams, WM inj, Bell full bay intercooler, Short bell housing turbo 4 speed tranny, roll bar, hargett shifter,
Old 09-19-2019, 10:11 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #1 (permalink)
3 restos WIP = psycho
 
kenikh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: North of Exit 17
Posts: 7,665
Individual, higher atomization nozzles, positioned above each intake valve. More complicated, but you gain added quench, and keep the extra oxygen from the alcohol out of the AF sensing channel. Assuming you are running meth/water mix, given pooling. Any thoughts on pure meth?

Sent from my GM1915 using Tapatalk
__________________

- 1965 911
- 1969 911S
- 1980 911SC Targa
- 1979 930
Old 09-19-2019, 10:19 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #2 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 106
Doesn't so much sound like an issue with methanol injection as it does your throttle body and or TPS. If your throttle shaft seals pass that much vacuum/boost that methanol is spraying out, I'd address that first. Last... TPS should be weather proof as it's in the engine bay, maybe time for replacement anyhow. I'm using methanol injection sprayed pre-turbo and no issues here although it hasn't been together this way for more than a year.


EDIT: I missed that little tidbit where you mentioned considering moving the methanol spray nozzle to the inlet side of the intercooler. DO NOT use this location for methanol injection as it guarantees condensing of the water/meth mix as it diffuses through the intercooler core. Worse yet, you've made your intercooler useless as you've cooled the air down before entering the core and the temperature difference between charge air and ambient is now minimal reducing efficiency. Always spray after intercooling.

When/how much boost is your injection settings? Is it "all-in" at a set pressure on/off style or does it modulate output based on boost/load?
__________________
"Frankenstein" - 964 C4 chassis/driveline - 993 widebody/Speedster look - VEMS standalone - twin plug high compression 3.6L N/A engine - 945cc cc/min injectors - Bosch 044 pump - GT45 @ 1bar/14psi - non intercooled/wingless - E85 fuel - turbo inlet water meth inj. - 3.5" exhaust - GT3RS clutch + LWFW

Last edited by 993Speedster; 09-19-2019 at 11:06 AM..
Old 09-19-2019, 11:02 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #3 (permalink)
Registered
 
mark houghton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Central Washington State
Posts: 4,402
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenikh View Post
Any thoughts on pure meth?
They say it's bad for your teeth! heh-heh...
__________________
Mark H. 1987 930, GP White, Wevo shifter, Borla exhaust, B&B intercooler, stock 3LDZ.
Old 09-19-2019, 12:05 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #4 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 106
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenikh View Post
Individual, higher atomization nozzles, positioned above each intake valve. More complicated, but you gain added quench, and keep the extra oxygen from the alcohol out of the AF sensing channel. Assuming you are running meth/water mix, given pooling. Any thoughts on pure meth?

Sent from my GM1915 using Tapatalk

Everyone has their own preference but I always try to spray upstream of the intake air temp sensor if at all possible so that I can quantify if the system is working or not. When IAT's get out of whack from it not turning on (and my last controller failed me several times...) things get reeled back in safely. I can look back in the logs and see intake temp rise, timing get pulled, and boost controller duty cycle get reduced anytime temps go over 140.

Also on the pure methanol stance, water is what has the most latent heat vaporization so you get less cooling with pure methanol. In addition, in pure form it's incredibly flammable and burns clear. Worse yet, it's pure fuel so you either run quite rich and lose power when it kicks on or you tune more aggressively timing wise and lean out the tune to compensate but then what happens when it doesn't activate? You're already over the line.


Quote:
Originally Posted by mark houghton View Post
They say it's bad for your teeth! heh-heh...
But think of all the wrenching you'll get done in a fraction of the time!

__________________
"Frankenstein" - 964 C4 chassis/driveline - 993 widebody/Speedster look - VEMS standalone - twin plug high compression 3.6L N/A engine - 945cc cc/min injectors - Bosch 044 pump - GT45 @ 1bar/14psi - non intercooled/wingless - E85 fuel - turbo inlet water meth inj. - 3.5" exhaust - GT3RS clutch + LWFW
Old 09-19-2019, 03:24 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #5 (permalink)
Reply


 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:55 AM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2025 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.