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911boost 11-29-2006 04:06 PM

930 vs 964 turbo for partial Daily driver
 
Its time for another 911. The WRX will be going away, and I am seriously looking. I have involved the wife this time, so the process is a bit more enjoyable and we are having fun looking at cars and discussing them.

I have a friend in the car biz, so he is helping too, so that is refreshing as well.

I made the mistake last time not getting a PPI, so obviously that will be done this time.

I have done some searches and read a lot, even posted in the Turbo forum. I like the looks of the 89 and earlier 930's, but since this car is going to be splitting commuting duties with my Tahoe and HD (weather premitting) I like the convience of the 964 based turbos, plus the airbags would be nice.

I don't really want to pay a huge premium for a car with low miles, pristine paint or a garage queen, cause this baby will get driven.

I was hoping to get the Pelican opinon, and some advice here. I have found a couple that make the short list, both 964 based turbos are local. Realize that a PPI may bounce any one of these if bad mojo is found

-1992 911 turbo with 33K miles on it, one owner Mid $40's.
-1994 911 3.6 turbo with 76K miles, Texas car, a couple fo owners, this car has a leaky rear strut, fornt crank seal seeping oil, KKK turbo, and a stainless exhaust. $39K

-lots of clean mid 50K mile 85-87 930's, but none local.

I don't want to jump into anything without thinking, or let my heart make the purchase decision. I have drive the 92 turbo, and it was clean, didn't leak any oil, but there was a noise out of the right rear (maybe strut??, another reason to PPI).

What are you folks thoughts?

Thanks, Bill

Emission 11-29-2006 05:25 PM

964 is heavier, so any HP increase over the 930 will be offset by the weight.

In addition, the 964 has power steering and a few other creature comforts that take away from the "rawness" of the 930.

WydRyd 11-29-2006 06:58 PM

It's simple really. The 964 is a more comfortable car and therefore would make a better daily driver. Better A/C, Power Steering, Airbags etc... it's a no brainer which one is a better daily driver.

Just depends on what YOU value in a car.

People tell me I should sell my cab and get something a bit more modern and comfortable, but at the end of the day, I love the "rawness" and feedback I get from the pre-89's. Comes down to personal choice.

Good luck! :)

turbocarrera 11-29-2006 08:01 PM

I like the early 930's raw character and light weight but have to admit, I would LOVE a 3.6 - just to have modern suspension and a/c would be nice, the 5 speed and big red brakes too. Turbo power is addictive and it's a safe bet to say that you'll want more of it. With headers, HF2 or GT35, 1bar, cams, and some CIS mods it would be well over 500hp methinks, - it's got some of those mods already. Then add 3.8 p/c's and EFI... hehehe

Of course get warm comp/leakdown numbers in a full ppi blah blah etc..

slow&rusty 11-29-2006 08:09 PM

If I got a dollar every time this question was posted...I would have enough $$$ to collected to go EFI....and probably Motronic too!

Yasin

911boost 11-29-2006 08:10 PM

Yeah, the 5 speed would be nice, and the ac.

The 94 3.6 turbo has 79K miles on it, and makes me nervous. I have not seen it in person yet though. The 92 turbo has pretty low miles, and I will most likely be getting a PPI on it. It does have 18inch wheels though, and I thought there was a service bulletin saying not to use 18's.....

Bill

911boost 11-29-2006 08:12 PM

I know it get asked a bunch Yasin, and I even did a couple of searches and read pages of posts, but there wasn't a definitive answer really given. I think it pretty much boils down to what I plan on doing with the car, and since I am going to be in it, a more modern one would be better.

WydRyd 11-29-2006 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BSiple
Yeah, the 5 speed would be nice, and the ac.

The 94 3.6 turbo has 79K miles on it, and makes me nervous.

Why? If the car has full service history and has been serviced religiously, I don't see why you should be nervous going in for it.

I vote Turbo 3.6 over a 964 3.3T, but again, it depends on condition and service history etc... a PPI for each car will eliminate the "lemons".

Either way, you'll love being back in a blown flat6... enjoy!

911boost 11-29-2006 08:42 PM

Here are two contenders:

1994 3.6 turbo
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1164861713.jpg

1992 turbo
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1164861742.jpg

Emission 11-29-2006 08:45 PM

Well, the 3.6 will hold it's value much better than the 3.3...

morganb 11-29-2006 08:53 PM

For a daily driver go the 3.6, more low down torque than the 3.3. Makes it a lot easier to drive in a relaxed manner on the street.
I agree with Emmission as well on the values. Go the 964 3.6 if condition of it proves to be good.

Emission 11-29-2006 08:55 PM

I prefer the 3.6 with Speedlines.

WERK I 11-30-2006 05:54 AM

My vote goes to the early C2 turbo. It looks better with the red than the green(?). If the 3.6 were better taken care of, the vote would be different.

mark '87 930 11-30-2006 03:34 PM

If i could afford it, I would buy a 964 3.6 I love that car.. the 3.6 is just as sexy as the 930.. but has some of the conveniences we are more used to .


Either way, good luck.. but make sure you get a Porsche... and send us more pics.

WydRyd 11-30-2006 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mark '87 930
Either way, good luck.. but make sure you get a Porsche... and send us more pics.
Not just *any* Porsche, a blown one :D

911boost 11-30-2006 03:40 PM

I have driven the red 92 turbo, tomorrow I am meeting Grady and we are going to look at the 94 3.6 turbo. I am leaning towards the 3.6 if it looks good in person and passes a PPI.

911boost 12-01-2006 02:24 PM

Alright, I looked at the turbo 3.6 today and it was tired. I was comfortable with the interior condition, sound of the motor, amount of smoke coming out of the passenger side pipe, and the lack of a cat.

I have made an offer on the 92 with 33K miles, so we will see how it plays out.

Bill

slow&rusty 12-02-2006 06:46 AM

Bill - Sounds great. Pity the 3.6 was so beat up as that is an ultra rare car and those cars are sickenly quick in stock form. I did not care for the color of it mind you.

I hope the '92 works out....I love it. If you get it, let me know. I have done (at home) a fair bit of work on my '89 930 since purchasing almost 2years ago, so if you have questions let me know or want to come south for a drive on the I25 and stretch the legs on your new baby!.

My good friend went to RockyMountain Euro or whatever that dealership's name is to buy a 1997 993 TT (yellow) and they represented the car very poorly - they said it was a "10". The car had been repainted on the front and the sunroof was a different color to the rest of the car. Mechanically it was spot on though. He was very disapointed with them (he made sure and let them know) as it was a full waste of his day and he went with $$ in hand to talk numbers.

My home email is slownrusty@yahoo.com

Regards - Yasin

911boost 12-02-2006 07:17 AM

Thanks Yasin, I e-mailed you.

Bill

Emission 12-02-2006 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BSiple
Alright, I looked at the turbo 3.6 today and it was tired. I was comfortable with the interior condition, sound of the motor, amount of smoke coming out of the passenger side pipe, and the lack of a cat.
The passenger side pipe is the main exhaust. The driver side pipe is only a wastegate dump. Ouch.

Sad to hear of a 3.6 Turbo in that condition.


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