Ferrarichat thread on 930

[tonypeoni]

Posting a link to a Ferrarichat thread that is SUPER informative. Crazy that I learned so much about my 930 from the guys at Ferrari chat!

1979 Porsche 930 (...and 78's too!) - FerrariChat.com

[onboost]

Most of them that post that really know what they're talking about are from this Pelican 930 forum.

[Komenda Fan]

I do find it funny though that I come here when I want to know about my car from a maintenance / mechanical aspect, and I go to Ferrari Chat when I want to know about the originality, concours kind of information. Great thread.

[onboost]

Originally Posted by Komenda Fan

I do find it funny though that I come here when I want to know about my car from a maintenance / mechanical aspect, and I go to Ferrari Chat when I want to know about the originality, concours kind of information. Great thread.

Excellent observation... and it is a great thread!

There is also a similar thread there that is specific to the (75) 76 -77 Turbo Carrera

[M5guy]

I read the first page and got as far as this statement:

Yes, the 930 was reborn for the U.S. market as the "911 turbo" in 1986, but it wasn't the same. What made the Ur-930 famous is its outrageous charisma of being a purebred race car for highway use, making do without complex emissions equipment, stability control, and other electronic systems limiting the driver's input.

As far as I can tell, my "reborn" 86 does not have complex emissions equipment, stability control, and other electronic systems limiting the drivers input.

I didn't read much beyond that paragraph.

[Miguel Antonett]

^^^ +1
"Yes, the 930 was reborn for the U.S. market as the "911 turbo" in 1986, but it wasn't the same."

[shlobeck]

Owning both, I can attest they drive very different. Both I love for different reasons. The later cars have their own virtues too...But all 930s are special and nothing like it will be built again...Yes those are some great treads at F-chat with a lot knowledgable people participating.

[tonypeoni]

Originally Posted by onboost

Excellent observation... and it is a great thread!

There is also a similar thread there that is specific to the (75) 76 -77 Turbo Carrera

Please post the link!

[tonypeoni]

Found it! Porsche 930 75-77

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/porsche/344030-930-turbo-carrera.html

[aschen]

seems like a nice enough thread, but they seem to have an odd infatuation with the model year 79.

[willtel]

Originally Posted by aschen

seems like a nice enough thread, but they seem to have an odd infatuation with the model year 79.

It is interesting but I don't get the 79 fascination. Everyone knows '87s are the fastest.

[voitureltd]

Originally Posted by aschen

seems like a nice enough thread, but they seem to have an odd infatuation with the model year 79.

Could be they have never driven the different years and just like the last year of US 930. They also like the first years ( 75-77). How about 78s?, the least produced except for 75s and the first year to the almost identical 79 and beyond. I think many are just getting to know about these cars and are relating their other collectable criteria guidlines to 930s.

[infraredcalvin]

It's funny how some of the logic applied is skewed by the posters own car, stating you have the 50th to the last car (or something rediculous like that) is as powerful as stating you have a 79 model year. To a serious collector these were such low production numbers that the actual first and last car of the MY bring real provenance. That thread seems to discount (too much in my opinon) the 75-77 MY. Bottom line, the 930 is still a "drivers" collelector car, so to have the slightly more refined 78-79 MY is more desireable from a wekend driver standpoint. I'm sure the future will soon turn that opinion on that thread obsolete... (My 2cents based off what I own

[tonypeoni]

Originally Posted by voitureltd

Could be they have never driven the different years and just like the last year of US 930. They also like the first years ( 75-77). How about 78s?, the least produced except for 75s and the first year to the almost identical 79 and beyond. I think many are just getting to know about these cars and are relating their other collectable criteria guidlines to 930s.

From what I read those years had the original 917 brake design that Porsche had intended. Also they have the kick the rear turbo boost. That is most of the fun of these cars. The later cars had higher compression and lower boost levels so while they were more refined they are less dramatic to drive and less like the 934 racing cars. But in the end none of this matters in the market place I think. A 930 is a 930.

[gsxrken]

I don't see much difference in the model years either, especially after the mods we all do anyway to exhaust, turbo and + boost level. In fact the later ones have same body and interior, just bigger engine, front fender oil cooler, intercooler and larger brakes than the earliest ones. What's not to like there? (OK, besides the auto heat).

[mark houghton]

Originally Posted by willtel

Everyone knows '87s are the fastest.

+1

And I also agree completely with gsxrken:

"I don't see much difference in the model years either, especially after the mods we all do anyway to exhaust, turbo and + boost level. In fact the later ones have same body and interior, just bigger engine, front fender oil cooler, intercooler and larger brakes than the earliest ones. What's not to like there? (OK, besides the auto heat)".

[WPOZZZ]

Originally Posted by infraredcalvin

It's funny how some of the logic applied is skewed by the posters own car, stating you have the 50th to the last car (or something rediculous like that) is as powerful as stating you have a 79 model year. To a serious collector these were such low production numbers that the actual first and last car of the MY bring real provenance. That thread seems to discount (too much in my opinon) the 75-77 MY. Bottom line, the 930 is still a "drivers" collelector car, so to have the slightly more refined 78-79 MY is more desireable from a wekend driver standpoint. I'm sure the future will soon turn that opinion on that thread obsolete... (My 2cents based off what I own

They have their own thread for the 75-77 turbos. 930 Turbo Carrera - FerrariChat.com Regarding the "Last 50" issue, it is because Porsche issued plaques and certificates with the Last 50 930s for the US. I didn't think it was such a big deal, but I did have #1176. Ironically, that car ended up in Germany.

[shlobeck]

Sorry unless you've driven both an early (76-79) car and a later '86-'88, 89 (5-speed) back-to-back you can't say "a 930 is 930." The driving characteristics are different, period. They look the same but drive very different. The 300+ pounds of weight among other factors make them different animals. They have different virtues for sure. I wouldn't say one is "better" but a different experiences for sure.

[WPOZZZ]

Originally Posted by shlobeck

Sorry unless you've driven both an early (76-79) car and a later '86-'88, 89 (5-speed) back-to-back you can't say "a 930 is 930." The driving characteristics are different, period. They look the same but drive very different. The 300+ pounds of weight among other factors make them different animals. They have different virtues for sure. I wouldn't say one is "better" but a different experiences for sure.

You are correct, but you also need to compare stock to stock or with same mods. My 79 was my first turbo and I never really beat on it. It was fun, stock except for exhaust. My 86 was a beast with cams, K29, fuel enrichment, bigger intercooler... I thought it was a great car, but drove a little heavy. My current 77 has some mods, K27, SC cams, gears, exhaust, BBK and it drives a lot lighter and more nimble than my other turbos.

[voitureltd]

Yea,the early ones do drive nice this way. They are pretty light to begin with so less mods are necessary to make it drive better.