brad penn oil?

[mb911]

in your turbos do you run Brad penn? I normally run 20-50 motorcyle (amsoil) but am considering the brad penn but am concerned as I have been programmed synthetic for turbo whats your thoughts?

[mppickett]

I've been running Brad Penn for a couple of years with no bad experiences. I switched from Mobile 1. I really didn't expect to see any immediate difference, just a better chance of less long term wear. There are some real oil experts hanging around that swear by it, but I also know our turbos are under more stress than the normally aspirated engines. I haven't heard of any long term comparisons.

[MyTurbo3.6]

+1

[mb911]

i dont expect to see any real difference except it to be much cheaper and i was concerned for coking from the turbo. I alos feel like i waste the amsoil as I only put a couple thousand miles a year and then change the oil so it just seems like its wasted .

[JFairman]

I have a cleanable system one oil filter installed in the turbo scavenge line between the scavenge pump and oil tank and have been using Brad Penn 20-50 for 2-3 years.

I never shut off the motor with a hot turbo that was recently running boost.
When I had an extremely hot running high backpressure K27 HFS on there I would always see alot of coked oil in the system one oil filter after an oil change using brad penn.

Then I put a lower backpresure factory designed and built K27 7006 back on the car and I never see any oil coke in system one filter during an oil change.
The K27 7006 has a larger turbine wheel and larger turbine wheel housing so it has lower exhaust backpressure and runs cooler while leaving less exhaust gas in the combustion chamber for the next intake, compression, and power stroke and it has a smaller and lighter compressor wheel with less rotational drag that was designed for the K27 turbo.

So from my experience my thoughts to your question of the chances of brad penn 20-50 coking in your turbo depends on what turbo you're using and how hot it runs.

I'm going to use Valvoline VR1 20-50 oil next change because I got some when it was on sale for less than half the price of brad penn.
It doesn't have as much ZDDP in it as brad penn racing oil so I got some redline synthetic break in oil additive that is high in ZDDP to mix in with the VR1 to help with good lubrication of the cam lobes and rocker shaft pads.
According to the redline website it looks like half a bottle or around 8oz. of it with 10-12 quarts of VR1 oil will be enough to bring the ZDDP level up to similar levels as the brad penn oil.

hope this sort of helps with your decision.

[krasuskyp]

I run it as well for the zinc benefit - nothing empirical to further off your tho

[mb911]

i run a k27s running .6 bar twin plugged 8.5-1 CR 3.2 short stroke. I looked this morning i still have a gallon of amsoil 20-50 motorcycle oil (hi zddp but low degerent) so I even am considering running a mixture this year when its all said an done It really does not matter I just thought the degerent would be nice to have with the brad penn and the fact I can get it much cheaper then the average person. still undecided but I will decide this week as need to get the oil changed this week along with gear lube so I am set for the year.

[bcoats]

I've been running BP for 2-years now and seems to run a little cooler than the Kendall GT-1 I used to run, also kept cool on a few hot track days and I run a K27-7200 and never any signs of coking as well, also oil pressure seems to run a bit higher as well with the BP vs the Kendall

[krasuskyp]

Got this from my local distributor, I'd been picking his brain about continuing w/ the Brad Penn or if he suggested anything better for our use. There is a new Kendall diesel out out too he said would be a OK alternative, but overall it's prob best to stick w/ the Penn

I get for ~ $66 / case, with tax. Here's some feedback he provided:

Brad Penn
Industry experts have long considered Pennsylvania-grade crude oil among the best in the world, and one of the most popular engine oils refined from it was Kendall GT-1. The American Refining Group now operates the Bradford, Pennsylvania-based refinery that once produced the Kendall line, and it offers its own line of high-quality race oil. Brad Penn's Penn Grade 1 (PG 1) is available as a partial-synthetic or conventional, and in varying viscosities. We spoke with the company's Director of Branded Lubricants Sales and Marketing, Dick Glady, about its formulation.

High Performance Pontiac: Are Brad Penn's Penn Grade 1 products intended for use with flat-tappet camshafts?
Dick Glady: Simply stated, yes. Our PG 1 has been evaluated by a number of premier camshaft manufacturers, and is now recommended by many for flat-tappet and roller applications. Let me explain why.

Brad Penn oil is refined from Pennsylvania-grade crude, and we obtain a unique cut from our tower. When formulated correctly, it has a greater tendency to cling to engine internals, minimizing wear during dry start-up, and high engine-torque conditions. We add to it a high concentration of ZDDP and our additive package, and the result is high-quality race oil that offers outstanding anti-wear and anti-scuffing protection for flat-tappet cams.

We market our PG 1 product as "The Green Oil," and in addition to our full line of engine and gear lubricants, we also offer Penn Grade 1 Break-In Oil-a specially formulated, 30-weight mono-grade lubricant that was developed for flat-tappet camshaft break-in, and features enhanced levels of ZDDP.

Brad Penn's Penn Grade 1 motor oil is a high-quality race lubricant that's produced by the American Refining Group. It includes a high concentration of the desirable anti-wear additives, making it suitable for flat-tappet camshaft engines. The company's Pennsylvania-based oil tower is heralded as the oldest continually operated oil refinery in America.

HPP: Is there a specific amount of zinc additive that your company feels is the minimum required for flat-tappet camshafts?
DG: Our typical ZDDP content is 1,200 ppm, but that doesn't tell the entire tale. Many other manufacturers formulate race oil from its passenger-car offerings, and maintain a lesser amount of zinc to meet current API SM-specifications. Our lubricant is actually uniquely formulated race oil that's suitable for older flat-tappet camshaft engines, and it offers additional engine protection beyond high levels of ZDDP.

HPP: Is there any chance your company could drastically reduce the desirable high-pressure additives in its products?
DG: Our Penn Grade 1 is marketed as race oil, and since we don't license it through API, we don't have to conform to current API and ILSAC standards.

HPP: Where can hobbyists purchase Brad Penn products?
DG: Our Penn Grade 1 products aren't available through local retailers. Instead, present distribution goes through select independent lubricant wholesalers, engine builders, and specialty racing/performance outlets. Contact us via our Web site, and we'll reply with the nearest authorized Brad Penn Racing distributor.