I'm not sure what's so funny about a B/J purchased autos, if they are misrepresented you get a nice letter from a lawyer. The '86 we service included all the paperwork from new.
Early on dealers were allowed to do conversions using all Porsche parts at a huge markup. Cars were also pulled from the line and sent off for conversion. I don't see how this makes them any less a "factory" slant unless you are just paying for that 505 stamp. The lengthy slant nose thread has all this info and much much more.

While it's true some cars were taken off the line (pre'86) and sent to the Werks facility for SE/SW conversions and dealers secondarily did conversions, the two are not the same. The SE/SW program car (pre '87MY) and the 505/506 cars (my'87-89) can be traced to the factory and carry a 10%+ greater value while any conversion, whether aftermarket or dealer steel are worth approx 10% less than a standard 930. So, money wise it carries a 20% swing either
way which is significant in the current retail market. If this is a MY'87 US market car it should carry the 505 classification to be considered factory imo.

I agree.

Thanks TT Surgeon. So maybe mine was pulled off the factory line and the slant was installed. That may make sense as to why I have some "factory" slant features...but not the 330hp modification or 505 code.

As far as the break duct vents, is it obvious to tell the difference. Mine feel plastic. My car is a 1986 SW car with a front oil cooler, everything else is factory but I think my vents appear to be plastic.

Early ducts were wood, later composite, never metal.
Sooner, it could have been a dealer installed slant conversion with oem parts too. Get the COA, only way to know for sure. For a MY'87 car, the line was tooled up for the slants, would've been highly irregular to pull it off the line for a MY'87, as the Werks facility was downsized by that time.
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is there a sticker or label on the glove box door? SW cars had one there. The oil lines in the trunk are underneath the black cover over the linkage. They might have been routed outside of the trunk since it was late 86 just before the factory started producing them on the production line. ROW slants had the oil cooler in the front since they didnt need the impact bumper

This is a confusing thread. See the "H" placeholder in position 10 of the VIN? Doesn't that represent a Model Year 1987 930? Also, all Special Wishes Vehicles prior to 1987 were not D.O.T. approved for U.S. use. As far as I know, all had the "WPOZZZxxxxxxxxxxx" designator....ZZZ Rest of World (RoW).
Anybody here with an '86 or '87 930 that confirm this for us? I have an '85 930 and the year placeholder is "F".

The sticker residing on the underside of the front bonnet does not show 505 or 506 as an option. This vehicle very well be one of the A.J. USA conversions in which factory parts were used. More investigative work is needed, definitely.

Nonetheless, it's a beautiful 930 slant.

Re Factory Slant?
 

Sooner1969-
Several observations about your gorgeous Slantnose coupe. This car does not appear to have the factory front oil cooler mounted behind the fiberglass valance. The required oil lines are absent from the trunk area and should be visible entering the side of the trunk to the rear of the HL pop-up mechanism.

Additional photos in several areas would definitely aid in deciphering the pedigree of this beautiful car.............
What is behind the front valance if anything?
Why isn't the valance screen painted the same color as the car (as was the factory practice)?
Are the multiple steel extensions welded behind/ under the sill rockers?
What can be seen under and behind the rear bumper and valance?

The outward appearance of the engine does suggest that the optional "increased performance" motor has been installed as evidenced by the larger intercooler and the modified air intake cover/filter. Other outward visual clues to this engine are absent however, most obvious is the presence of the standard exhaust instead of the distinctive four pipe (two per side) polished and angled tips. Another confusing observation is the presence of a pre-87 rear end reflector, euro bumper set-up complete with rear fog lamp while the VIN apparently designates a 1987 USA model.

Dave, you may be on the right track with your comment about Alan Johnson possibly tweaking this vehicle with some factory parts back in the day (the work done by his shop was first rate). Some of his customers may have been inclined to install some of the SW options but stop short of the "Full Cleveland". This might explain the confusing issue of some parts being there and others not.

Either way it remains a stunning (and very interesting) Slantnose coupe and I for one would welcome the opportunity to see additional photographs (including the interior) when available.
Good luck with your beautiful car.

Everyone...thanks for all the great and informative responses. It seems like I have an aftermarket slant conversion (which appears to have been completed with OEM parts). Here are some more pics.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408071005.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408071032.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408071062.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408071115.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408071157.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408071191.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408071204.jpg

Hey Bluebox...the engine pics that were posted earlier in this thread are not pics of my engine...they were posted by another person as an example of the larger IC that was installed on the 330hp SW slants.

I can't imagine your car taking a 10% hit over a standard 930 due to the lack of a code. Could very well be you have one of the last cars produced without it. Even if it was produced "aftermarket" the parts are Porsche and the quality is excellent. If you bought your car anywhere near the price listed in that ad you stole it IMO. Very very nice.

My bad..

I misread this thread and clearly Sooner1969 stated it was an '87. Quick and easy way to determine an '87 thru '89 Factory Slant...oil cooler in the passenger-side rear brake duct. From there, you just dig deeper and deeper until you're convinced.

The '86 we service has the oil cooler in the right rear wheel well. My '85 has it in the front valance along with a second A/C condenser under the car.

I would have to agree with RarlyL8. I would also offer that although the car is designated as an 87 MY vehicle, as a 4th qtr build date, it could have either been ordered as a special wishes vehicle in earlier in 86, or been ordered and acquired through the European delivery process, and thus not given or having a 505 code or decal.

That being said, most of the comments here, including mine, are purely speculation with regard to what this car is or is not. As for the factory, and they’re CoA, it’s a crap shoot as some of them are spot on while others offer erroneous information. Keeping in mind that it is very difficult for them to even know, as this was not a huge concern of theirs during the time that these cars were produced. They were expensive cars, and it was all about getting a unit moved while we’ve got this fish on the hook.

As many have said, it looks like you’ve scored a beautiful ride none the less. I personally think it is a factory car as why else would n the Vin decoder populate with the term flachbau listed? However, then again, I have no idea what decoder you used or its reliability as it also lists the car as a 5spd.

I would suggest in addition to trying to track the info through the factory (have fun w/that) that you take a good picture of the inside of the passenger side ¼ panel duct and/or a close-up of the grill opening, along with a shot of the passenger side RF forward wheel with the wheels turned to the left. This way we can see what kind of oil cooler you have which may help to shed some light.

Dave, you may be on the right track with your comment about Alan Johnson possibly tweaking this vehicle with some factory parts back in the day (the work done by his shop was first rate).


My 79 930 color to sample done to SN by Alan Johnson in 83 with early non vented fenders,
modified engine,'trans and suspension for vintage road and track use. Some were informed back then on how to get the factory race parts. Alan Johnson ( AJ USA) built some neat stuff well beyond what you could order from your regular Porsche dealer. Worth less than a factory car to some? Own and drive both, I have.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408131690.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408131722.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408131768.jpg

Thanks for all the help! Here are some pics of the rear vents on the Passenger Side (and a pic inside that wheel well...the interior vent doesn't appear to go to anything):

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408134396.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408134423.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408134448.jpg

Inside this passenger side rear wheel well, I also noticed the following lines and equipment (which was located a bit "North" of the fin duct work...closer to the front of the car):

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408134603.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408134632.jpg

As noted in one of my prior posts, I don't have a oil line visible from the interior of the trunk (passenger side). However, I do have these 2 lines running inside the passenger side front wheel well (which presumably run all the way South to the lines and equipment pics that are above):

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408134760.jpg

Here's pic of my front grill (I assume the radiator is behind it), as well as some pics of the underbody of the radiator (see in particular the serial numbers):


]http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408135130.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408134852.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408134951.jpg

Finally, here's a pic of my engine set up.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1408135239.jpg

Actually, I looked up that serial number in the last pic, and it is the oil cooler (not the radiator). Sorry for my ignorance!

Yes, you have a very nicely done conversion with factory parts. Probably ultra smith or ajusa.
Great car.

Sooner1969,
Is it possible to get a pic of the turbocharger? On the turbocharger, the cold-side specifically, there's a data plate. Kind of hard to see, but you might be able to get a camera up there. It's a aluminum plate with blue highlights and on it are stampings. See if you can get that for us.

Under the passenger side, the headlight linkage has a fiberglass black cover over it. Remove the cover and take a picture of the area the cover is over.

Thanks,