MODIFY your 930 or NOT
 

Given the recent value changes in these great classics, would you prefer to leave the 'ole' 930 in stock form or just dont care and want the baddest and fastest beast around ?

What are your thoughts ? Enjoy this video, but generally I went with the minor mods easily reversed in a weekend while a buddy of mine went balls to the walls and can no longer revert back but it is fast as hell

What is the latest consensus ?

https://youtu.be/9gFnHzYi9Yc

Enjoy

In my opinion, to leave any high performance cars in their as delivered, full of compromises, overly neutered states is to do a real disservice to the spirit and intent of those machines. The rising (now stalled) value situation does nothing but give me something else to chuckle about (the "something" being the "stock stock stock market's hot hot hot" guys). :)

Sorta like saving your gf for the next guy!!

I like Ronnie's post and I see the value of originality as these chunks of drivable metal are collector car$, street cars, and track cars all at the same time.

Elon Musk had a Mclaren F1 as his daily driver.

You achieved owning an original that had good performance in that period but if you are driving it today, my vote would be to modify it.

If you are scared about the modified appearance hurting the value but still want to enjoy driving occasionally, do a lightweight flywheel and clutch.

I started off my Porsche car ownership with a lightweight 911 turbo hotrod, having driven an stock 930 after owning a hotrod, I can't believe the hype over the stock 930's, I can't imagine spending $80-120k on a car that is so tame. Sure they look great and are still fun to drive, but I wouldn't trade my car for any other 911 variant in stock form, unless for monetary gains.

Tuned properly, you won't send the engine to an early grave upping the hp like other vehicles.

It's built like a brick ****house.....

It's pretty common to spend near six figures on a modern performance car which will depreciate rapidly, so why fret over the same money on a 930? Bolt-ons are removable, I don't see this as any obstacle whatsoever to the value of your car.

don't be soft.
modify

i had a nice 77 911s widebody. I would have loved to strip it down but the interior was very nice.
I ended up selling it for what I paid for it but with a bad motor and bad tranny. I had a spare 3.0o and a factory LSD tranny but I did not want to ruin that car, plus it was a targa and I did not want a targa anymore.

if my 930 was stock and I wanted to modify it, I would sell it and buy one that was already in the modified stages.
although my 930 is not stock it is an extremely nice car. original paint, great interior. so as far as those things go I would not change but engine and drive train are a different story since it is not original. in fact I am in the process of putting the AC back in just because it is such a nice driving car. I don't consider this car to be a "track" car by no means, it sits way too hi due to 18in wheels, but I consider it a driver as far as a great car to take on trips and just drive.

I do look at some of these highly modded 930's and wish I could do that or had that car but I stand to loose too much $$ if I do. I have $40k in this car and 68k miles on it right now so do the math

Build what you want. There is no guarantee the market on theses cars won't collapse completely anyway.

My personal opinion on the extent of modifications is when you try and make a 25+ year old car out perform a 2014 or newer car. Improve what was restricted by technology limitations or regulations of the period, but don't try to out perform a 2016 anything. At that point you are pissing money away.

Dude that last engine that you called stock is highly modified with EFI. Looks like the only stock thing in there is the original cooling fan.

450 hp in a 2600lb car still spanks most 2016 cars. Power to weight all day long.

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Great question OP. I'm surprised we haven't discussed this before.

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Agree, but that is only one aspect of the car.

lolol!!

Reversible bolt-ons, go for it.

I'm driving my kid's college fund, so beyond that no.

Oh, and yes, I agree...trying to keep up with 2016 performance is a fool's game. I treat my car as a period piece/curio. :P

Modify the hell out of it.

Just so long as you stop modifying the engine when the chassis twists so much that it pops out the windshield. At that point just back off a pound or two of boost.

A few weeks ago whilst taking a leisurely drive along one of my favorite lake-side roads - and coming upon my favorite twisties - up behind me roars this 2016 dude in a huge-ass truck thing. Don't know what it was, but probably pushing a 6 liter engine putting out huge torque and HP. He probably just wanted to see "what the Porsche could do" or had a stick up his ass and a snoot full of beer. Regardless, I just kind of rolled on the throttle to see if he was serious, and by then well over the speed limit. Still, he hung there like a wet sack between the legs So I rolled on a little more....and a little more...and was forced to show some muscle. Yeah, his rig was doing it's best to keep up and quite respectably so, until it came time to pass the law abiding few in front of me. The event ended, end of story. I guess I won.

So, HP to weight ratio...that's what it's all about regardless of the newer vehicles out there. And my 930 is still stock'ish. Though I did wish at the time that I had even more poop, just because I miss it.

One thing's for sure, and I know you are thinking this in a big way, Mark, is that even a stock 930 is better than no 930 (even though I bang on the stockers all the time)! :D

It would be very foolish to modify a stock 930 when you can buy already modded ones for a fraction of the price of a stock car, cash in on the stock 930 and buy the modded 930 you want.
Pocket the deference or spend the extra $$$ on hookers and blow if your like Ronnie. Or maybe modify the already modded car to your taste with the extra money.

I do not really consider a few bolt on parts (muffler, wheels, air filter, etc.) modifying a car because of the easily reversibility of it.

And a/c components and tools, too, IckyFicke!


Speaking of which, would the purist consider a highly modified a/c system to be a negative worth a price reduction (even though none of the components are immediately visible)? Would that type person say "the air conditioning works too well, therefore, I will offer you $10K less, since I will not get swamp ass while driving to cars and coffee twice yearly"?!?!?

ficke, Good point. This car immediately came to mind. I wish it was for sale when I purchased mine.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/907554-1979-porsche-turbo-930-a.html

I have a stock Turbo Carrera and a Hot Rod 86 930S... best of both worlds... oh and a 77 911 track rat so I have that world covered too...

I wonder what purist might think of working ( which would be obviously modified) A/C in a 930? interesting question.
I had a 1970 B.B. 4-speed Corvette I did the body on years a go and showed it (I do not show cars anymore), besides the annoying "I had one just like it" comments from people who had S.B. autos Corvettes and the unasked for advice from random strangers on what was 'wrong' with my car, when it was judged I was docked points for having to straight/nice door gapes!!
So yes, maybe a purists would knock your car for having working A/C.

Interesting, If your car is well sorted by now and you like it, it would be hard to part with.
But if yours is fairly stock and you really wanted a modded car you could sell yours for a healthy gain over the price of that car, buy this one or one like it and use the extra $ some where else.
Although modded cars tend to need more $ to keep running and most of them need sorting to make drivers out of them.

MODIFY your 930 or NOT
 

Mods that are period correct, Andail,Ruf,Kremer.

I have recently purchased Automotion catalogs that span from 1981 to 1990.

They depict many period correct mods of the 1980s. I would be happy to scan these for the benefit of those wanting period mods.

I have a NOS Blaupunkt 3000H with Amp still in the boxes. I am temped to install this really cool 1980s stereo to my 79 930.




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Electronic fuel injection was in use by Porsche, and many other auto manufactures, during that time frame, so even EFI is a period correct mod.



Ficke - that aspect of the car show world has always made me point-n-laugh; no wonder you don't do them any longer!

MODIFY your 930 or NOT
 

I have never seen EFI on any 930 of the 1980s. Maybe Andail and Kremer could have pulled this off.

I'm going to say that EFI is not a period correct mod as you just never saw 930s back in the 80s running EFI.

Hey if you want to run EFI cool. It's your car. It will affect resale value greatly.


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So "correct" is what you say it is, based on magazine articles from back in the day, and not what was actually period available? Weird!


The funny thing about this thread is it is simply the OP (JerryS/Mark) up to his old tricks again; "drive by" thread start, which he will not participate in again (unless he does now, in retort), of a topic that will stir people up, in order to hopefully get more hits on his youtube page.

Pretty silly question given the crowd. Although Ronnie dreams of someday bringing his back to stock, none of the regular posters here (at least that I can think of) have bone stock cars. Mark's may be the closest but, somehow I get the feeling that wont last long :D
My car was far from stock when I bought it, twist wheels, ridiculously heavy seats, after market steering wheel, headers, bumper, stereo etc, etc. The only thing I kept was the B&B headers. Not long after I bought it I started sourcing the missing stock parts, most of which are mothballed. I continue to do so. However, I draw the line at the emissions crap. I cant bring myself to spend my hard $ on that junk. I cant ever see selling my car, but if I do I have most of the parts needed to bring it back to stock. Problem is, I've taken so much crap off the car I'm running out of storage space.
I bought my car to have fun with it , and modding it is fun for me. I decided along time ago that I'm not going to let dollar signs get in the way of that. I suspect that's the way most here feel.

Stock or not? I wish I had a dollar for every time that is asked. With that said, it's your car and your hobby. If your hobby is polishing your shift knob(;)) and leaving well enough alone that is you prerogative ...for the rest of us, we enjoy making our vision of what a 930 means to us come true. Some mods may be better than others but in the end...it's your car..do with it as you see fit.

From my personal experience I've not only enjoyed making my vision come true but have met so many great people in the process. Had my car been stock, I doubt I would have met (and learned) so much.....I mean, how many conversations can one have about wax?:D

That's depends on what yer "waxing", Rey!!! :eek:

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Only when I'm not dreaming of you, Bro!

Hey PK, watch who you're calling "Ronnie"!!! That stupid son of a b**** got 86'd from this forum for behavior, unbecoming! Our Rawknee's is an angel by any comparison...
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IcyHotness, I'm doing my best to live DOWN to the low bar that dude established - gimmie some time!

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I'm in love (aka - I'd hit dat')!!

Wow, that car is tight as a drum. Notice no oil stains on her pointy-parts.

Good point! It's like "hey man, I love your 930. Mine's just like it...wanna race?" Individuality doesn't shine there.
Doesn't Porsche make a special 930 go-fast wax? Or would that be considered a mod?