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was highly capacitive necessitating a fast spark pulse rise time, and that an inductive discharge ignition (IDI) with early transistors, i.e. germanium, were inadequate - poor spark dv/dt (coil voltage rise time). Ignition coil designs of that era also contributed to IDI being inadequate. Present day COP systems provide more that adequate spark rise times for capacitive loads. As noted in your post, some CDI ignitions like the MSD provides multiple sparks, which basically infers that a single CDI spark pulse (typically less than 100us) is inadequate. Given that and the many posts in this thread, some continue to ignore valid electronic theory and reality, i.e. the CDI spark inadequacy. As the saying goes, "You can't have it both ways." A typical COP IDI system produces spark pulse widths approaching 10X a CDI's with very fast spark rise times - nanoseconds. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/676385-msd-ignition-exposed.html |
I'm going to throw my oar in the water again.
It was never about which was the better system, in theory. For me, its all about which one is better in these large hemispherical chambers with domed pistons and offset plug(s). Pent roofed chambers with volumes down in the 40's, with centralized plugs built for cars that have to comply with emission requirements need a long duration. And the fuel today does not burn as quickly as fuel from a few years ago. Its all about the application, for me. Nothing else. I read where the discussions get heated over which ignition is better, but I have not yet read anything where the application was included in the argument. We can disagree on anything. Simply, as a business building some Porsche 2V high performance engines, I choose what I feel is better, based on testing done, back to back. If others have found differing results, then that's ok too. |
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With these old air-cooled Porsche engines, maximum horsepower is rarely the end all beat all. With these old Porsches, performance based on specific criteria is the goal. To date, I haven't seen a COP system the works with a 12 plug distributor. Old school tech? of course but honestly, how much in the world of Porsche restoration is about that old school feel. People aren't spending $200K + trying to maximize the horse power in an RSR resto-mod. They are searching for that nostalgic feeling. 50 year old MFI, 2V, distributor engines don't make maximum horse power but there is certainly a wood factor. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1673269456.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1673269672.JPG |
I can fire those coils with 3 boxes
I can fire those coils with 2 boxes I can fire those coils with 1 box. Oooh aah clapping Fire those coils. |
Reviving an older thread to ad a new option. I have a twin plug 2.8 that I am efi converting. I want to keep CDI, but triggered by the ecu (separate cam and crank trigger sensors for the ecu). I was thinking I was going to run two of the new MSD Ultra 6a units to keep the footprint small, but then found the Ashlock Tech (Bob Ashlock) Twin Plug cdi. It is two modern parallel cdi units in one old school Bosch CDI case. The cost is comparable to two MSD units.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1739741124.jpg https://ashlocktech.com/ashlocktech-cdi I think this is a great option for those of us who want to keep the old school look, but take up less space. |
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