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Flat6pac 11-06-2022 03:34 PM

It’s amazing things you find on someone’s build
 
The following post will take several days to post complete.
Bear with me and enjoy. This photo thesis IS just someone’s build and just one motor.
1976 3.0 Carrera.
New owner changing his oil and pulled the screen to find this steel piece

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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1667781044.jpg

Flat6pac 11-06-2022 03:58 PM

Still more to get story started
 
Thanks for following the disassembly. It will get better.
Bruce

Nyloc inside the motor, has to be a no no. Must have misplaced the waves washers so he installed nyloc and standard washers.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1667781383.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1667781383.jpg

Half the cylinder dividers are installed backwards. I will post picture of the modified dividers
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Flat6pac 11-06-2022 05:14 PM

Modified dividers
 
Novice with a MIG set

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1667787113.jpg

Alan L 11-06-2022 08:02 PM

I found a cam timing lock pin in the bottom of my crankcase.
What do you think that lump of metal was, or do you think the guy was just wanting somewhere to store it?
Alan

Flat6pac 11-07-2022 02:01 AM

On splitting the case the small intermediate shaft bearing on top half was missing
Fell out from assembly and missed.
On removing the oil screen the owner also found an extra chain rail in the bottom with the steel bearing shell.
Oh, this story is going to get better…..
Bruce

brighton911 11-07-2022 04:42 AM

Yikes ! Very lucky it did not self destruct.

GG Allin 11-07-2022 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flat6pac (Post 11840730)
Thanks for following the disassembly. It will get better.
Bruce
Nyloc inside the motor, has to be a no no. Must have misplaced the waves washers so he installed nyloc and standard washers.

My motor had nyloc nuts in the same spot. I won't say who built my motor but he's no amateur. How big a' no no is this?

Flat6pac 11-07-2022 09:28 AM

It can give you some nylon to float in the oil if it were to dislodge.
Bruce

john walker's workshop 11-07-2022 12:11 PM

Basically, it's non-factory and it makes you look bad to the next guy who gets into it. Just do it like the factory did, proper washers, nuts, etc.

Flat6pac 11-07-2022 01:37 PM

You think it can’t be done
 
Words can’t do justice to the things in this motor
The ARP rod bolts were stretched out of spec and look at the design that was achieved.
I guess the builder wasn’t paying attention when he took things apart
JE pistons 7.0/1 CR. Owner said compression numbers were around 120# per cyl
These are available for 3.0 turbo build
Bruce


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cmovic 11-07-2022 05:27 PM

Wow. Just wow.

fanaudical 11-07-2022 07:47 PM

Those nylock nuts in the first pics aren't locking. There are no threads engaged with the nylon.

Flat6pac 11-08-2022 03:23 AM

If the proper washer was used……but there is still nylon inside the motor
Bruce

Cairo94507 11-08-2022 05:35 AM

Hi Bruce- Glad you got Todd's motor sorted for him; he is a nice guy. :) Michael

Flat6pac 11-08-2022 06:44 AM

Odd things
 
Although it doesn’t make a difference, the through bolts from the factory come through from the other side. I guess the thought was, the nuts from behind the oil cooler so the rest need to come through to the same side….
Bruce

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MoreGAS 11-08-2022 08:11 AM

ARP Bolt stretch
 
Hi Bruce. on the over stretching of the bolts...It is difficult to know whether they are overstretched as we frequently see(somewhat alarming) the bolts vary as much as .005" within a set, so unless you have a record of what each bolt length originally was, you'd never know how much they actually were stretched, or whether they yielded- did not return to original length .
Given what else you show in there, I would toss them all and start over.

GL
Kevin
GAS Motorsport

john walker's workshop 11-08-2022 08:56 AM

And those damned all thread dilivars in an aluminum case. Ever try sliding a cylinder over a piston with the drag they give? I'd swap for steel and sell those to a mag case guy.

Flat6pac 11-08-2022 02:52 PM

I managed. It was a trip in the past I did load a couple of motors when the 993 studs were about $10 each. The biggest problem with this motor was the removal of the JE 7.0/1 snap rings as there was only one access to the snap ring and it was on the negative side of twist.
Bruce

Richey 11-08-2022 05:26 PM

It looks like some of the connecting rod bolts are installed backwards ! that may be a first .

Jeff Alton 11-08-2022 07:00 PM

Bruce,

you don't say.... lol

Took this 2.7 apart on last Friday.... oh my.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1667966307.jpg

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But this is not the worst we have seen... 3.2 cylinders installed upside down. Missing fasteners, missing oil pump seals where the "new" engine made ZERO oil pressure. It was a 964 3.6, they removed the oil pressure warning bulb before delivering the car. It made it about 12 miles before it came to us on a flatdeck... And the list goes on.....


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