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Add to that an X-Brace or forged side relief piston with substantial under-crown milling and you can see the weight melting away. Quote:
As I said, "theoretical". I'm not certain that theory is valid but controlling oil dynamics within the engine case is a black art. The science is way over my head. |
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Remember, this is a supplemental filter designed to keep out large chunks from contaminated oil and internal explosions. |
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It is a pretty cool build. Short stroke 3.0 66mm X 98MM New Carrera case w/shuffle pins 66mm, 9 bolt SuperCrank CT1 Dry film coated GT3 mains (red) Pankl GT3 rods (21mm pins) Clevite rod bearings (CT1 coating) 996 Twin turbo oil pump 993 steel intermediate shaft/gears 98mm CP X-Brace pistons 11.5:1 (under-crown milling) Mahle cylinders cooled by Supertec 906 cooling tin Big valve head (51mm intake w/8mm stems, 43mm ex) Supertec head studs DC 80-02 Dougherty Racing billet cams Aasco springs and Ty retainers 40mm in ports, 38mm ex Supertec rockers Supertec idler arms Supertec Power Pulley (105mm) http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1684602973.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1684602973.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1684604059.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1684602973.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1684602973.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1684603745.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1684603745.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1684602973.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1684604059.jpg |
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maybe on the 2.0L 914-6 Racer..........looks space age..... doesn't look like any Bosch I've seen......... Is this a new marketplace offering? |
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There is a 3.2 SS 911 engine with high butterfly mechanical fuel injection. Is that what you are asking about? The throttle bodies are a German high butterfly recreation offered by TRE. The stacks are fabricated at Supertec to facilitate air filter installation. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1684699849.JPG |
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I never understood why Porshe, when it went to MFI, used the same intake manifold configuration it used for the Webers which preceeded MFI. They had to bend the two end manifolds in to fit the carbs available. But didn't Porsche have the MFI stuff made for it? An issue about fitting existing air filter stuff? A friend with a flow bench told me he could measure the better flow for the center manifold versus the flow to the two end ones. |
There is a 3.2 SS 911 engine with high butterfly mechanical fuel injection. Is that what you are asking about?
Bingo...that must be it. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1684788143.png It's the bright appearance that has me baffled. I was wondering if it new manufacture from the likes of Eisenbrandt or Koller & Schwemmer...afr studied opimization ?.... all to produce custom made space cam? ..... ...I'm good for any story of the dark art magic of MFI. Thanks in advance. |
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The space cam/MFI pump magic is the product of Mark Jung @ MFI Werks. He is indeed a sorcerer when it comes to making this stone aged crap live again. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1685096869.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1685096869.JPG |
Supertec will take credit for this fuel line innovation. The fittings and fuel line are fabricated in-house. We came up with this design while trying to fit an MFI engine in a 917 replica. Limited space made high arching fuel lines impossible and steel lines were just too ugly.
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A quick look at the 2.0 914/6 GT engine.
66 911 sand cast aluminum case [rehabilitated from 90mm cylinders] Double shuffle pins Pauter crank (Chevy rod journals) Titanium Pauter rods 930 Turbo oil pump Light weight timing gear Racing IWIS chain and solid tensioners 11.2:1 CP pistons JB Racing Biral cylinders Supertec 906 cylinder tin DC 80/98 camshafts [Model Dur @ 1mm Valve lift Lobe center Lift @ overlap DC 80/98 I/E 283/265 .505"/471" 98 6.2 mm Supertec rocker process 69 "S" heads Bill @ Extreme did the head porting and valve work Aasco valve springs and titanium retainers Supertec head studs Supertec idler arms Series 900 amber shroud 906 fan ring Supertec power pulley 993 engine oil filter console with 30 micron filter PMO 46mm carburetors Supertec twin plug distributor Custom machined lower valve covers for 914 chassis clearance. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1685700733.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1685700733.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1685700733.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1685701993.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1685702185.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1685702806.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1685700733.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1685700733.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1685703212.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1685700733.JPG |
^^^WOW.Outstanding!
Can you tell us a bit more such as expected output, size, intended use? Johan |
WOW! Please tell us about the chain tensioners.
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With three drilled and tapped access holes [for each tensioner,] you simply remove the plug, reach in with an Allen wrench and adjust as needed. This feature was a pretty cool idea but deemed unnecessary given the frequency of race engine tear-downs. The extra holes offered a potential for leaks although they rarely did when plugs were properly sealed. Like most other mechanical tensioners, [when properly adjusted] they eliminated tensioner failure 100%. Caveat: The problem with mechanical tensioners is that builders forgot that these little engines grow and in doing so, the chain get tighter. That means adjusting the chains on the "loose" side is essential. How "loose" is case specific. Magnesium cases grow more than aluminum cases. A mag case will grow as much as 4mm from crank center to cam center. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1685883936.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1685883936.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1685883936.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1685883936.JPG |
"Caveat: The problem with mechanical tensioners is that builders forgot that these little engines grow and in doing so, the chain get tighter. That means adjusting the chains on the "loose" side is essential. How "loose" is case specific. Magnesium cases grow more than aluminum cases. A mag case will grow as much as 4mm from crank center to cam center."
Hmmm, that's odd. Other than the case, the cylinders, heads, and cam housings, are all the same basic material (aluminum). Therefore, the only difference in thermal expansion would be due to the case itself. And coefficient of thermal expansion (microns/meter X *C) for magnesium (26) is close to most aluminum alloys (23). The width of a case half is about .15m, and the delta between cold (20C) and hot (120C) is about 100C. Thus, the case growth in width for magnesium contributing to the crank to cam distance is about 26u/um x 0.15m x 100C = 390um, or .390mm. For aluminum it is slightly less, 0.345mm, and the difference between expansion of an aluminum case half versus a magnesium case half is 0.045mm. Negligible. Even the overall crank to cam distance would be about 3 times that, or about 1.2mm. |
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All 3 case types expand differently...sand cast, magnesium and die cast. I can't wait to see the expansion rates on the new billet case. Even the cylinders differ in materials over the years. cast iron, Biral, Alusil, Silimal and Nikasil. My caveat suggests that you keep these conditions in mind while setting up solid tensioners. If you believe that my caveat [meant it be informative not scientific] is something you would ignore, be my guest. Good luck. |
Henry, not doubting that the growth the in overall width of the engine requires the chain tensioners to deal with that. I was doubting 4mm growth between the crank and cam. But if it's cam to cam for a really hot engine, that's in the ballpark.
Case types expand differently not because of how they are manufactured, but based on the properties of the alloy. The great majority of aluminum alloys have thermal expansion coefficients of 21 to 24 um. A few, such as hypereutectic alloys, have significantly lower coefficients. But you wouldn't want to carve a case out of that. So you can expect the billet cases to be cut from a wrought aluminum alloy slab with a coefficient in the same range as the cast aluminum cases. Yes, the cylinders also expand at different rates. I used the rate for aluminum in the calculation above, which is close to worst-case expansion. Cast-iron and Biral are almost the same, because the sleeve of the Biral is also cast-iron. The Nikasil, Aluisil, Silamal, and Lokasil have different expansion rates, depending on their composition. |
Interesting how a precautionary "caveat" became a point of contention.
I wonder who benefits from each interpretation? It seems like there is a nuance to adjusting mechanical tensioners that can benefit from the advise of an experienced engine builder. Thanks Henry |
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