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JeweDY 09-13-2024 09:31 AM

Headstuds
 
Hello what would be the best headstuds if you're rebuilding your porsche engine Thank you

69 911s 09-13-2024 02:48 PM

Supertec.

PeteKz 09-13-2024 11:54 PM

Need more info about your build and its purpose. Supertec head suds are great, but expensive overkill for most uses, unless you are building a real race car. Porsche steel studs are sufficient for most purposes.

Neil Harvey 09-14-2024 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteKz (Post 12320893)
Need more info about your build and its purpose. Supertec head suds are great, but expensive overkill for most uses, unless you are building a real race car. Porsche steel studs are sufficient for most purposes.

Would be great to understand what you are saying?

How does a head stud know its in a race?

The use of good fasteners has nothing to do with racing.

69 911s 09-14-2024 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteKz (Post 12320893)
Need more info about your build and its purpose. Supertec head suds are great, but expensive overkill for most uses, unless you are building a real race car. Porsche steel studs are sufficient for most purposes.

I completely agree but he simply asked which are best and I shared my opinion. Supertec studs aren't going on every engine I build but they are on the ones that are built well outside of factory performance parameters.

PeteKz 09-14-2024 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil Harvey (Post 12320961)
Would be great to understand what you are saying?

How does a head stud know its in a race?

The use of good fasteners has nothing to do with racing.

Okay Neil, let's turn your question around. Why use more expensive head studs if the Porsche steel ones already last 200,000+ miles? What constitutes "overkill?"

It's a serious question, because cost is always a consideration.

Henry Schmidt 09-14-2024 03:32 PM

Cylinder head studs are about creating the most consistent cylinder/head platform [stability] no matter what the intended use.
Supertec is a good choice for those interested in improved design features.
Precision ground, heat treated, rolled threads
Quality corrosion resistant aged 17-4PH steel
Better expansion rate than stock steel
More consistent clamping force than nonsensical Dilivar
Fine thread for more precise torque and force retention
Highest quality (12.9), 12 point serrated flange nut [allowing nut to spark plug clearance when twin plugging]
Ground and hardened washers
Additional threads at case end for more engagement [important for non-inserted mag cases]
Longer over all length for custom rod length applications
Ease of engine assembly
No need for height adjustment
Piston can be installed without the stud interference.
Price includes studs, nuts and washers. No need to reuse the ridiculous Porsche Allen head nut.

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69 911s 09-14-2024 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil Harvey (Post 12320961)
Would be great to understand what you are saying?

How does a head stud know its in a race?

The use of good fasteners has nothing to do with racing.

A head stud knows it is in a race because it usually sees a rebuild in under a hundred hours where a street engine properly maintained can go well over a hundred thousand miles. The environment on the race track is completely different in terms of heat cycles, stress and just basically hitting redline between nearly every shift which is just not feasible on the street. Kinda like the way race brake pads can't even get into their engineered heat range on the street.

JeweDY 09-14-2024 05:19 PM

ARP sounds like the one to use I have my mechanic doing the work and I have to buy the parts. Any recommendation where to buy the parts

Turbo_pro 09-14-2024 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JeweDY (Post 12321345)
ARP sounds like the one to use I have my mechanic doing the work and I have to buy the parts. Any recommendation where to buy the parts

Why?

stownsen914 09-15-2024 04:19 AM

Have a read on ARP head studs. No experience with them personally. I do use other products of theirs and believe their stuff is good in general, but feedback I've seen on their 911 head studs has been mixed

Jeff Alton 09-16-2024 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JeweDY (Post 12321345)
ARP sounds like the one to use I have my mechanic doing the work and I have to buy the parts. Any recommendation where to buy the parts


Why is your "mechanic" having you buy the parts? Does he not have a recommendation and relationship the vendor who will supply them?

mepstein 09-17-2024 04:29 AM

Usually you want your mechanic to pick the parts that they are comfortable and familiar with, not make their choices for them. For example, my painter has his favorites for what the job requires; cost, time, labor, etc. If I'm choosing his materials, he's not my painter, just the guy spraying paint. My engine tech definitely has a head stud preference. It's based on a hundred + builds plus the experience of another engine builder with a couple thousand builds. Not to mention your builder should be able to buy wholesale, not retail.

Billthebuilder 09-19-2024 03:58 AM

Tough crowd just reuse your old ones

Turbo_pro 09-19-2024 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Billthebuilder (Post 12323848)
Tough crowd just reuse your old ones

What if your engine has the original Dilivar studs? Like 3.2 Carreras with steel studs on the top and old style Dilivar on the bottom?
In general, "just reuse your old ones" is a ludicrous decision.
Every rebuild should be treated as a unique opportunity to build something special.

PeteKz 09-19-2024 11:27 AM

...except Dilivar!

Realistically, you can reuse the OE steel head studs if they are not significantly corroded. If they have any more than surface corrosion, you should consider new ones, because the pitting will eventually lead to "stress corrosion cracking." Those pits cause stress concentration,just like a sharp machine edge or other sharp points. The stud is under constant tensile stress, but that stress also varies due to thermal cycles. The largest changes are due to start up and shutdown, but there are also variations in stress due to operating at different power settings. Therefore, eventually, cracks may propagate through the stud and crack it.

Bottom lines: If in doubt, replace it. Otherwise, you can reuse the steel studs. I personally like to clean them and epoxy paint them to help prevent future corrosion.

Those of you building and running race motors, do whatever works for you.

stl87 09-19-2024 05:11 PM

Scammer. Answered my WTB post, ghosted me when I asked for more pictures and where I can come see them

540964 09-23-2024 07:28 AM

Is Raceware a good choice?

https://lnengineering.com/products/aircooled-porsche-parts-and-upgrades/raceware-porsche-vw-hardware-and-fasteners.html

540964 09-23-2024 07:29 AM

Is Raceware a good choice? Sorry double post

https://lnengineering.com/products/aircooled-porsche-parts-and-upgrades/raceware-porsche-vw-hardware-and-fasteners.html

Geneulm 09-24-2024 03:33 AM

Absolutely


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