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Dpmulvan 12-29-2024 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by icarp (Post 12380666)
Mike, after the oil ring scratched the Nicasil liners we ran an 800 grit aluminum oxide Hone and we’re able to do a fairly good job but the scratches still remained. We put the engine together with the understanding it would be less than perfect
That’s not to say that we didn’t add a pinch of hope for the possible outcome

I use the same 800 grit hone from brush research, it’s great for deglazing takes about 2 seconds per cylinder and leaves a perfect finish with a low RA. I thought about making a post about it but didn’t feel like starting an argument over it and red scotchbrite.

snbush67 12-29-2024 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 911 tweaks (Post 12381509)
Nice project…
Q any specs and or parts changing since you are back in there…?
You guys got this…!
This will be another eye opener build…!
Carry on…

We are taking a pause until the heads arrive from being ported. We think they’ll be ready and arrive within two weeks.

I think that this build is going to squeeze everything possible out of a 3.2 short stroke.

Increasing CR from 9.8 , Mahle 10.1 CR pistons cylinders. We may be doing dual plugs.

The heads are being ported with Icarp specs, Iconel valves, titanium keepers, drilled for dual plugs etc.,

Keeping the Knightrace75 Camshafts.

The main and rod bearings are coated. Rockers faces, cam lobes and other surfaces have been Izumi treated.

Keeping the PMO 46’s with 42 Chokes.

Keeping the M&K headers and muffler.

911 tweaks 12-29-2024 03:00 PM

Very nice “tweaks” Shane….!! Thanks for sharing…
I anxiously await how this goes…
Go get em’….!

Old H2S 12-30-2024 01:30 PM

Did Ian tell you I'm running 200 PSI static compression with the M1 , no problem..
Nikkies cylinders with 9.5 CP pistons without the bottom shim.
Deck was -.067 with shim, -.027 without shim. The valve relief cuts left me plenty of room for the M1 cam so I let the shim out.
Zoom Zoom

icarp 12-31-2024 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Old H2S (Post 12382262)
Did Ian tell you I'm running 200 PSI static compression with the M1 , no problem..
Nikkies cylinders with 9.5 CP pistons without the bottom shim.
Deck was -.067 with shim, -.027 without shim. The valve relief cuts left me plenty of room for the M1 cam so I let the shim out.
Zoom Zoom

Not static but cranking psi numbers .
The compression test was also done @10ft above sea level

ian

snbush67 12-31-2024 07:10 AM

This mornings deck height with base gasket is at -0.047”.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1735661346.jpg

911 tweaks 12-31-2024 08:26 AM

Nice… !
When you get back the heads, can you post pics of where you may of had them tweaked…?
Are you staying with carbs?
Carry on…
Happy New Year to all involved in this Christmas build project…
Bob

PeteKz 12-31-2024 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Old H2S (Post 12382262)
Did Ian tell you I'm running 200 PSI static compression with the M1 , no problem..
Nikkies cylinders with 9.5 CP pistons without the bottom shim.
Deck was -.067 with shim, -.027 without shim. The valve relief cuts left me plenty of room for the M1 cam so I let the shim out.
Zoom Zoom

That's slightly below the .030"/.75mm minimum rule of thumb. I've run pistons in other engines with this tight of piston clearance, but the pistons were fairly tight in the bore so they didn't rock much. What piston to cylinder clearance are you using?

Jeff Alton 12-31-2024 06:15 PM

What does "fairly tight in the bore" mean? What were the actual measurements for those and what Pistons/Material?

PeteKz 12-31-2024 08:05 PM

These were engines with iron cylinders and cast hypereutectic pistons. 4" bore, clearance .002".

snbush67 01-01-2025 02:01 PM

Better results with .010” base gaskets. - .037”’deck.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1735772455.jpg

snbush67 02-21-2025 12:53 PM

Heads are back.
 
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1740174800.jpg

snbush67 02-21-2025 01:50 PM

That looks about right.

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snbush67 02-21-2025 03:39 PM

Decision time.

.037” deck = 10.47 CR
.047” deck = 10.16 CR

snbush67 02-22-2025 08:00 AM

Installed the inboard ramps. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1740243563.jpg
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PeteKz 02-22-2025 12:06 PM

Shane, you're using twin plug heads, right? If so, I would go for the tighter squish--.037". I'm at .030", using Mahle pistons with the Carrera domes on them.

IMO, you get more reduction in tendency to detonation with reduced squish/quench clearance than the increase in CR tends towards detonation (but I wouldn't swear to it, because it also depends on combustion chamber shape). Nevertheless, it's a tight balance. If you have the capability, I would consider shaving the piston dome down a bit to get the CR back to 10:1.

David Vizard has some excellent videos on YouTube about quench (he prefers that term), as well as all his other videos. I came across this info initially reading one of his books about 40 years ago, and I have strived to include it in all my types of engine builds since.

snbush67 02-22-2025 03:30 PM

Pete, yes twin plug heads. With the head torqued, deck came out to 0.040”, CR comes in around 10.1.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1740270582.jpg

snbush67 02-22-2025 03:33 PM

I went with the .50 mm base gaskets. Pistons and cylinders are clipped in.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1740270706.jpg

G450X 02-23-2025 06:30 AM

Ring size…
 
Looks like a great build. I have a similar build pending - early SC heads & CIS, Max Moritz P&C’s, M1 cams, SSI’s, M&K 2/1, etc..

I am having trouble finding Mahle rings for my build (1.2/1.2/3.0) and due to the hit or miss quality of Total Seal and Goetze rings, I’d really like Mahle rings.

If your rings are original 1.2/1.2/3.0, where did you find them? Were they NOS?

Thanks,

Mark

snbush67 02-23-2025 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by G450X (Post 12416273)
Looks like a great build. I have a similar build pending - early SC heads & CIS, Max Moritz P&C’s, M1 cams, SSI’s, M&K 2/1, etc..

I am having trouble finding Mahle rings for my build (1.2/1.2/3.0) and due to the hit or miss quality of Total Seal and Goetze rings, I’d really like Mahle rings.

If your rings are original 1.2/1.2/3.0, where did you find them? Were they NOS?

Thanks,

Mark

Mark,

I bought the Mahle Motorsports kit, it came with the ring pack.

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