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ITB is not in our wheelhouse so your expert input based on actual experience is invaluable. |
One of the very first versions of Richard Clewett's ITBs on a 2.7 RS replica built by Supertec. Easy to use, great performance.
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Some people might find this to be the "best"!
3.5 EFI using RSR high butterfly built by Ruff for Jerry Seinfeld. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1760036367.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1760036367.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1760036367.jpg |
Last option is to convert the existing 9M to a DBW but I'd still be out of idle air control monitoring throught the ECU
You do not need Idle air control with DBW. You can use the ECU to open the throttle to get what ever Idle you want. John |
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My experience with EFI is so limited that I wouldn't begin to understand issues with the 9M system but if you can figure out what is missing, mitigating the issues by modifying what you own seems reasonable. Throwing money at a problem is rarely the "best" way to proceed. General rule, not aimed at you John. I am agreeing with your suggestion. |
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For anyone looking for a cost effective forey into the ITB world, I have a stellar set of 50mm PMO ITB for sale. These will fit any size 911 but probably should be used on a 3.0 and larger.
https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/1184687-quick-sale-stellar-set-pmo-50-mm-itbs.html http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1760186508.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1760186508.JPG These ITBs tend to give you project a more "period correct" aesthetics and still offer the modern convenience of programmable induction. You can even use a factory early 811 air filter housing to maintain an even more authentic aesthetic. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1760187742.jpg |
Here's another exciting option I stumbled across in my research.
This system is remarkably similar to the fuel delivery system used on some the NPTI GTP cars of the late 80s / early 90s. I only know this because I owned 11 of the GTP engines as well as one of the cars. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1760205746.jpg |
Another consideration is length of intake...
Graph of harmonics for various intake lengths. Length is total length of intake; top of stack to back of intake valve. A cut of dyno graphs with an intake manifold and straight velocity stacks, a reference stack length, then adding to it in approx 1" increments. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1760211240.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1760211325.jpg |
Years ago we built a 3.8 using dual staged injectors with Haltech EFI. The intake, ITBs, intercooler, headers were all sourced from MODE
The engine made impressive power.. I have other pictures ..... somewhere.... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1760213681.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1760213752.jpg |
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This has been interesting to read. Some really good ideas and comments about what has been done in the past. All good info to take in. What has worked is really good to know.
Project 24 includes an new ITB system. Too early to say or show what it is. We have tested both Barrels and Butterfly types on the flow bench. The Barrels certainly show better flow and speed once opened fully but the Butterflies still beat out the Barrels at part throttle. Just turning the air twice I assume is the issue. Our magnesium based 911 Project 24 is all about weight, engine speed and acceleration so air volume and speed are major factors. Anything not needed is removed, anything that can be made thinner and stronger is, the goal is to see how light we can make this engine. Cost is not the driver in this project, weight is. Hopefully some of these weight saving ideas can used by others in the future. |
Henry - this car is on auction now and listed with a "3.4" - do you know the bore and the stroke that RUF used?
Also - what do you think of the exhaust on this car? Thank you Steve Quote:
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Half of the exhaust looks great, the primary half uses a flat collector and I'm not a fan. With this engine, I would prefer to use a header system with shorter primaries. Something more like these. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1760466651.jpg |
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