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goldgunner 08-04-2005 09:38 AM

I.D. This ENGINE STAND
 
Can anybody identify this engine stand - as to manufacturer and/or model number?

Looks like it takes the Porsche engine yoke mounting shaft as if it were made to...no adapters necessary.

Also note that it doesn't have the wide surrounding flange for the typical engine adapter - seems to be almost perfect with no wasted capability.

Thanks!
Jimhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1123177025.jpg

goldgunner 08-04-2005 10:15 AM

Well heck...here's the pic
 
http://www.914club.com/bbs2/uploads/...1120357124.jpg

WERK I 08-04-2005 10:32 AM

I bought one like that at Pep Boys...it was red, though. The yoke shaft did not fit perfectly on the stand, but if you cut up a gallon milk carton, poly type, and wrap the material around the shaft, it will shim perfectly and allows the yoke to turn freely.

This was one of Chris Bennet's tech tip ideas.

rw7810 08-04-2005 10:35 AM

Looks like the standard engine stand to me with a three point base converted to 4 point. Same as the one I used recently.

ChrisBennet 08-04-2005 11:42 AM

The way that is modified looks like it would be weaker than the orginal 3 point setup. I'd be a little nervous using it.
-Chris

hcoles 08-05-2005 06:23 AM

Ditto from me....the connections at the welds for the 4 point conversion do not look good to me at all. Not enough gusseting/etc. The stands I've seen and I used was a three point and the out riggers making it into a four point was one big beam with casters coming off the end of the three point leg. This gives you the "factory" weld connection that is holding this thing up....which in your case has been eliminated. I don't want to read that the engine fell into your lap. In addition you can see that the "legs" are already flexing.....these may not fail but it indicates that the welds have considerable stress. I hope this is stated strong enough.
-h

ChrisBennet 08-05-2005 06:38 AM

I've seen some really horrid engine stands where the parts that were supposed to fit together had a 1/4" of gaps. There was so much slop that the upright part of the stand tilted so far over that the engine would have slid out of the stand if we hadn't wedged pieces of steel in the joints to tighten the fit. If I was buying a stand today I would get it from someplace locally so I could take it right back if necessary.
-Chris

hcoles 08-05-2005 01:42 PM

Jim,
I hope you take the engine off the stand and get it properly modified or get a different one. I think we want to avoid you having an incident where you would want to take it back... at that point you may have damaged parts you can't get from EBS but could be covered by insurance.
-h

goldgunner 08-05-2005 01:46 PM

Actually I'm at the stage of shopping for an engine stand - the pics not mine - just one that looked pretty good to me...but clearly you experienced types have shot it down...oh well...

So, the new question:
Recommend an engine stand that accepts the Porsche Engine mount complete with the full yoke and most importantly the cylinder: the goal being without modification.

Thanks again!
Jim

Walt Fricke 08-05-2005 04:35 PM

Jim - I had an inexpensive, bolt together, auto parts store T stand. When I got tired of the compromises involved with the yoke which came with it (four moveable arms) I bought the Porsche yoke and the holder that gets bolted to a workbench or stand. I figured I'd modify my stand so I could bolt the holder to it. However, the yoke fit well enough as it was, so I didn't need the holder part. I drilled a hole through the tube on the parts store stand so I could use the 90 degree holes in the factory yoke to hold things in the orientation I wanted.

My guess is that most stands have about the same diameter tube for their "holder," and the Porsche part will fit well enough (with or without some shimming). So just get the OD measurement for the Porsche part (or one of the aftermarket substitutes), and go stand shopping.

Walt Fricke
(who eventually bolted the factory holder to a workbench, so it wasn't a total waste)

goldgunner 08-05-2005 05:05 PM

Thanks Walt - I may go right to mounting on the workbench also. I have the factory holder and a very sturdy workbench - but there goes half the bench! A Stand would be so much more flexible as to space and arranging (or rearranging) things.

Jim Disharoon

JeremyD 08-05-2005 05:52 PM

I bought the Good year one at Sams...

Hampton 08-05-2005 06:28 PM

Looks like a modified version of the one they sell at HarborFreight.

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Hampton 08-05-2005 06:31 PM

HarborFreight link...

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=32915

I've got my engine on the harbor freight stand and it works great.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1123295460.jpg

JeremyD 08-05-2005 06:35 PM

Have a picture here somewhere

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1123295718.jpg

JeremyD 08-05-2005 06:44 PM

Mine was $56 and it folds up -

hcoles 08-06-2005 05:47 AM

Goodyear looks good to me...has 4 points.
Harbor Freight (Hampton 82SC) looks marginal no 4 points. A method to determine that stablility...draw a line on the floor around the contact patches with the casters tucked in...estimate the worst case center of gravity of a built up engine and and see where this lands on the floor, it needs to be way inside of the lines on the floor. If you look at the Hampton pic. there is not much distance.


I suggest the 4 point version so you don't spend all your time making things and not working on the engine.
-h

trak ratt 08-06-2005 06:09 PM

Looks like someone modified a standard stand with a couple of legs. That would likely allow the engine to spin 360 (unlike most shorter, less expensive stands) and a firm base for moving around the shop and holding a drain plan. Doesn’t seem like that bad an idea!

goldgunner 08-06-2005 06:31 PM

Went today and bought the Sam's Club Goodyear Racing 4 wheel/2legger. Daughter assembled it while I hung the wench - I'd already attached the Porsche yolk to the engine.

The yolk round didn't exactly slide into the engine stand round...took some - ok plenty - of hammer blows to the engine stand vertical member just below the round receptical, but it finally went in.

Turns and balances well, everything thing is peaches at this point.

Of course, this Goodyear setup is a little low...the old back will be bending more working on the long block than preferred...

Thanks all
Jim

dweymer 08-06-2005 07:07 PM

Now go buy a stool that rolls, and has a height adjustment; you'll be set.

ttweed 08-07-2005 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hcoles
Harbor Freight (Hampton 82SC) looks marginal no 4 points.
The 1000 lb. stand from Harbor Freight is a 4-point. I picked one up on special at my local store for $40 last week, which is the same price as their 750 lb. stand with 3-points, usually. It works fine and is very similar to the Goodyear one pictured above.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=32916 It's back up to $55 this week, though.

Along with the Mainely Design engine adapter ring for $150, I have a workable solution for less than the cost of the Sir Tools adapter alone.

TT

hcoles 08-08-2005 05:03 AM

Jim,
I feel much better now that you have a good stand. You might want to invest in lighting and a good LED flashlight if those are not already covered.
-h


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