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126coupe 11-08-2006 06:55 AM

Long Block Complete/Twin Plug
 
Finished up the long block on my 2.5L Race engine last night.
Test fitted the new 12 pin Distributor from jbracing.com
Its a very high quality billet distributor that uses a jaguar cap and rotor ( easy to obtain and reasonably priced) easy to adjust advance.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1162997710.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1162997723.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1162997736.jpg

Henry Schmidt 11-08-2006 07:23 AM

The cap fitted to your twin plug distributor is the Intermotors after market cap. It is without doubt far inferior to the cap we use with our distibutor. We looked at this cap for use with our distributor and the tolerances were hideous.
The cap shown in your picture has aluminum contact points and flat contacts inside where clearance is the most important and the body is made of thermal plastic.
The best cap to use for this application is the genuine Marelli cap which uses brass contacts (machined for accuracy and bakelite body. Bakelite is far more expensive but is the only quality material for making distributor caps.
The real Marelli cap can be purchased at any Jaguar dealer for around $150 and will prove to offer far better service from the over-all quality.

By the way, the Intermotors cap can be purchased from Kragen.

Henry Schmidt 11-08-2006 07:27 AM

Just for fun, please post a picture of the "Jag" rotor used in this distributor.

BTW: JB Racing does make very nice, high quality bits.

356RS 11-08-2006 07:43 AM

Very Clean 2.5 Engine. Nice work. What will you use for the fuel system? MFI, Webers? What cams did you use? Stock rods?
I'm just interested......

126coupe 11-08-2006 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 356RS
Very Clean 2.5 Engine. Nice work. What will you use for the fuel system? MFI, Webers? What cams did you use? Stock rods?
I'm just interested......

PMO's 46MM, GE80 Cams, Carrillo Rods

Jeff Alton 11-08-2006 02:47 PM

Looks very nice, good job. Should scream with those cams!

Oh, I should point out that ......... never mind, just kidding:)

looks good.

Cheers

126coupe 11-09-2006 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Henry Schmidt
The cap fitted to your twin plug distributor is the Intermotors after market cap. It is without doubt far inferior to the cap we use with our distibutor. We looked at this cap for use with our distributor and the tolerances were hideous.
The cap shown in your picture has aluminum contact points and flat contacts inside where clearance is the most important and the body is made of thermal plastic.
The best cap to use for this application is the genuine Marelli cap which uses brass contacts (machined for accuracy and bakelite body. Bakelite is far more expensive but is the only quality material for making distributor caps.
The real Marelli cap can be purchased at any Jaguar dealer for around $150 and will prove to offer far better service from the over-all quality.

By the way, the Intermotors cap can be purchased from Kragen.

I checked w the Engine Department manager at JB Racing, he informed me that this Distributor has been tested extensively
over the past year with no issues. Henry you are not the only game in town, (maybe in your in your own head).
Once an A hole always an A hole.

Henry Schmidt 11-09-2006 07:59 AM

Mark
I guess that's what I get for trying to be helpful.
No one questioned the quality of the distributor, quite the contrary, just the cap.
If you take the time to look at the two caps you'll see for yourself.
One thing I've noticed from your posts is that you seem to want to use the best possible part.
The Jag / Marelli part has nothing to do with me. It's just a better part at a very reasonable price.
It's not about me or JB racing. It's just a matter of quality. Look for yourself.
You might want to buy the top quality cap and save the other for a spare.
Cheers

For the rest of you reading this post, quality counts. Check the quality of both pieces and choose for yourself.

andrew15 11-09-2006 10:53 AM

Great engine, but Wow! Strong language from someone who is told there may be a better option for distributor caps :) Does it really justify calling someone an A hole - or is there some histroy between you guys?!

As a side note, I have the Marelli / Jag cap on my distributor and it is a very well made piece. It reminds me of the OEM Bosch cap - very solid and well machined.

AM

126coupe 11-09-2006 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by andrew15
Great engine, but Wow! Strong language from someone who is told there may be a better option for distributor caps :) Does it really justify calling someone an A hole - or is there some histroy between you guys?!

As a side note, I have the Marelli / Jag cap on my distributor and it is a very well made piece. It reminds me of the OEM Bosch cap - very solid and well machined.

AM

Lots of History, and all I will say is that the courts ruled in my favor, and I use the word "courts" only because I won on appeal too. Lets just leave it at that.

Henry Schmidt 11-09-2006 11:20 AM

Here's the resent history.

Here's a copy of the letter I sent to Mr. Minkoff 10-13-06.

Hi Mark
I appreciate your resent interest in our twin plug distributor kit.
After thinking through the possible results of doing business with you again, it seems reasonable to assume that it would not lead to anything good for Supertec.
I am willing to put the past behind but it has come to my attention that you still speak badly about me in public.
That just isn't fair. Supertec has a great reputation in the Porsche community and in the past (and it appears even recently) you have attempted to do real damage to my ability to earn a living.
I can only imagine what might happen if you have problems with our distributor kit or any other Supertec product for that matter.
Please don't see this as some kind of attack on you. You are of course welcome to your opinions but when your opinions are designed to damage my business [I believe unfairly] then choosing not to do business with you is more self preservation than any rebuke of you personally.
Jarvis Tech builds a distributor that can be used in your engine. I believe Carquip sells that distributor at a reasonable price. Tom @ 303-443-1343
Good luck with your racing experience.
Best regards
Henry Schmidt
Supertec Performance

126coupe 11-09-2006 03:02 PM

Wires, sheetmetal and headers, then "put it in the car"http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1163113343.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1163113357.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1163113372.jpg

Lukesportsman 11-09-2006 04:37 PM

Just to add a separate view on the dizzy cap, Jag guys really, really don't care for them and I know of no one racing with them. Just something to think of and they usually are not spinning them as hard as a GE80 six will either.

Go to Jaglovers and do a search. You may have differences with Henry, but he does know his stuff. And in this case for a product that he directed you to an OEM retailer, I would at least do yourself the service of a little research. A google search likely will yield some answers.

Lukesportsman 11-09-2006 04:44 PM

By the way Mark, one fine looking engine that sounds like it will scream delightfully.

Above wasn't intended as criticism but of caution. If you have any ignition problems it most likely won't be for many miles. If then, just check the cap....as I dislike Al/plastic caps for racing especially as ignitions systems climb in power.

Hope to here how it runs in the car.


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