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19.8 mpg?
Since I don't have much to compare my mileage to I'd appreciate some feedback.
70T 2.2 stock, webers. Drove to Houston, mostly 4 lane, no interstate kept the r's around 36 to 38 hundred with spurts and got 19.8 mpg on a fresh engine. Is that about right? Thanks |
That sounds pretty good for a carb'd car.
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Thank you!
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That sounds pretty good...for an Aggie.
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I guess you know how Bevo got his name:)
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""Any suspension -- no matter how poorly designed -- can be made to work reasonably well if you just stop it from moving.""
that's why we used to put STP in the lever action shocks on the old MG's |
I assume you are speaking of the "13-0" brand the Ags slapped on Bevo. Makes for good press, but some historians report that Bevo was named a year or so before and that if UT students did convert the brand it was to an already established moniker. I have actually heard that the Ags were presented the hide with the "13-0" intact after the two schools shared in a barbeque of the steer. Who knows? Too bad that kind of ribbing (no pun intended) would outrage people these days. We'll see what this week brings...
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The part about the hide and bbq is legend as far as I've been able to discern anyway. This Friday.,.... well who knows. With my luck we'll probably win and Fran will get a contract extension.
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Ha, ha. Reminds me of the last days of Slocum, always able to pull out a late season win and extend his tenure. Even with a win of the 'Horns, I think the powers-that-be want Fran out of College Station. I have similar sentiments with our OC Greg Davis, always "saving something for the big game." Any way you slice it, this has been the most bizare college football season I can remember.
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I'll buy that round!
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Sounds about like what I got in my 2 liter 'S' at 65 MPH from CA to WA. Keep the revs down and mileage is pretty decent!
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That sounds pretty good, I've never taken my 70T on a long trip but I think I get around 16 or so in mixed driving.
I think the carbs are due for a rebuild. When cold it spits raw fuel out of the tailpipe. Does your's do that? Maybe fuel is sneaking through the accelerator pump circuit. The mixture screws have no effect on the idle either. |
hey, jac, "We'll see what this week brings..." what did the weekend bring, I've been on a secret guvmnent job and missed it:)
Blue, that sounds pretty rich, are you sure it's raw gas coming out the tailpipe and not just mosisture? could be the butterfly shafts are worn on the throttles, and it's sucking so much air through those the screws don't have any effect. that would make it run lean though. have you turned the mixture screws out/in to get the idle screwes in range? This thread really helped me get mine dialed in: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-engine-rebuilding-forum/239742-71-t-still-backfires.html |
Thanks for the link. When the engine is cold it definitely spits raw fuel out of the tailpipe. The engine runs smoothly when cold, just extremely rich. Once it warms up the fuel stops spitting out of the tailpipe but it may just be getting evaporated due to the hot exhaust.
When I first got the car running it would pop a lot more on overrun. I will try a good cleaning and check for vacuum leaks with some ether. I've tried turning the mixture screws but the idle mixture screws don't affect anything at all. I will try to get some time and work on the carbs this week. I'll take the thread you posted down to the garage and see what I can do. |
My 2.2E with webers gets almost 25 on the highway running 75 or so. this drops quite a bit around town or when I keep my foot in it. These small motors run really well and efficient when just cruising.
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I also think you should have much better mileage - mid 20's at least.
Here's a quick test. Remove the air filter housing. With a light source (bulb please), observe each carb throttle passage at idle. There shouldn't be any visible fuel dripping into the passage. If you see fuel, the float level is too high. With raw fuel dripping out the exhaust I'd suspect a very high float level setting. Are you sure it's fuel and not normal moisture condensation? Start with a compression test for a base line reference point of engine condition. Sherwood |
My 19.8 is on a fresh engine with only about 1k on the rebuild.
If you get the float adjuster with the shims to go under the needle and seat be prepared to sand a thou or two off one. I never could get my level between the top to lines of the cup, always just at or above or below until I sanded one down a touch. Your accelartor pump might also also putting way more fuel than required. Watch out for the brass caps above the needle and seat, those suckers can be tight, it took a half inch breaker bar on a 15mm socket to break mine loose. Pretty sure about the 15mm, but I've slept since then. |
Whoa yeah I don't get anywhere near the mid 20s but when talking to Paul Rodelo about his 2.2T with PMOs he also stated he gets high 20s on the highway.
I'll do some cleaning and testing this week. I'm sure I should rebuild the carbs and replace the intake/riser gaskets. Maybe that will be the January project. |
I think I'll try blasting over to Shreveport on i-20 for a constant speed and check that. My 19.8 was going to Houston through all the little towns, some with loops some with stoplights along the way.
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my webered 2.7 gets about 16 mpg mixed driving, mind you, my right foot is noticeably heavier than my left. :D
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Im getting about 15.5 IN TOWN driving with of course spurts of power! on my 2.4 w/ Webers
Still have yet to check it on the HWY.. but I know I need some throttle shaft repair.. = not tuned the best right now. |
I did a little checking on my Webers this week but the batteries were dead so I couldn't fire it up. I removed the idle mixture screws and the air correction screws to spray some carb cleaner in the holes and clean things up a bit. There wasn't much build up at all but I did notice the air correction screws are all nearly bottomed out. Is that a normal setting? Last time I checked with my synchrometer the throats are all balanced very well.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1197056796.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1197056803.jpg The idle mixture screws are also nearly all the way out, maybe one turn in on each cylinder. |
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As for the idle mixture screws, they have more travel and adjustment range than one turn out from seated, which, btw, seems about right. Sherwood |
Thank you for the help Sherwood. My idle mixture screws are actually one turn in, the spring seats on the carb body and then they are about one/half to one full turn in from that. I assume that is nearly full rich.
I am planning on making sure the idle and main jets are clean when I get back home this week. The intake gaskets need to be checked as well so I'll be picking up either ether or carb cleaner for that. Hopefully I can get a video up soon so you guys can see how she runs. |
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Sounds like you have a fairly rich idle mixture if you're using the spring as a reference. The correct reference point is to start with all the mixture screws lightly seated, then back them off approx. 1 - 1 1/2 turns. I would also recommend a Synchrometer and a CO meter to monitor the settings while adjusting. Idle mixture settings are fairly sensitive to small changes, and since the idle circuit is still active into the cruising range, a rich idle setting will affect overall fuel mileage more than one would expect. Sherwood |
Well since my speedo reads 85 @ 3800 upm in 5th and I know it's not 85 because the wheels are 14's and I'm assuming it's calibrated for 15's I'd probably break 20 going 3300? @70. With 15's, 19.8 @ 85 and 3800 would be pretty good? I'm not taking into account the exta aero drag so we could call it maybe 19, 18.5?
This is a great thread for webers http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=239742 |
I followed the suggestions on the thread suggested by gigem75 and was able to tune my carbs.
Then I filled it up and did some driving. The improvement in gas mileage was actually really nice! I think I was getting around 14 or 15 miles per gallon before tuning the carbs. My last gas tank which was admittedly 70% highway 30% city averaged 23mpg! I am going to run this next tank with more of a 50/50 split so we'll see how that one goes. |
It was 31 degrees this morning and with a couple of squirts with the pedal she fired right up. Took a little finesse with the throttle to keep it running, it did die once or twice but all things considered espeically no cold start aids other than pumping the gas pedal it went fine. My original 18 mpg was on a very fresh complete engine rebuild and I've since refined the carb adjustments I would expect it to be better now. Having 14 inch wheels doesn't help though.
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My car is the same way on startup, it's a little fussy at first and then calms down.
I have 15x7s and 8s with RS flares on the rear and a '74 915. My order for just went through Pelican to repack my CVs with new boots, put Swepco 201 in the trans, and I might pick up some Brad Penn for the oil change. We'll see if any of that effects the mileage. |
my dreamometer says I'm doing 85 at 3800rpm so I'm sure it came with 15's
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I wanted to refresh this post a bit. I just got my Webers back and have tuned them. I am only getting about 13 in town, whereas before I was getting around 16. They were bored from 40 to 41's.. I know this will have some effect but I think I should get at least 16 still IN TOWN..
I will be taking a trip from Laf to Houston this weekend and am wondering If I should make any changes to my MIX screws before I hit the road.. Sounds like some of you have been able to make changes AND havent complained about any extra POPPING OR SPITTING than before.. What did you do.. I think we would agree to get bettter economy you would need to lean them out a bit |
I leaned out the idle circuit on mine according to instructions posted by Steve at Rennsport. I seem to be getting much better gas mileage than before and the exhaust is less eye watering. My understanding is that at cruising load on the highway you are still running on the idle circuit so that would have a big effect on the fuel economy.
I have Weber 40s on what I think is a 2.2. |
Where are the instructions by Rennsport, or do you have them, id be interested in seeing if they are the same or similar to what I have.
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I can't find Steve's post but here is a good one.
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Great write up by John
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double check your ignition timing, I was chasing some spitting and popping with the carbs and it ended up being the timing. Don't ask how it got that far out overnight because unless I changed it while sleepwalking I have no clue.
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Really!? ... What did you set your timing to? I think mine is about 15 ATDC per instruction given to me.
What engine are you running? |
I think that sounds like a severely retarded setting, you might try running it more advanced. I think the spec is 5BTDC but you have a 2.4 in there so it may be a little different.
edit: It looks like a 2.2 should be 0-2 degrees ATDC according to the fan strap sticker on a 2.2 911E. A 2.4 T E or S should be 5 degrees ATDC Is your exhaust really hot with a 15ATDC setting? |
2.2 and if I remember correctly I think it's 5 before. I've got the marks lined with white paint to see it better under the light. Everything was great and then one morining she was spitting and coughing, really weird, even took one apart completly and checked everything. Then checked the timiing and it was way off, at least 10 degrees, weird. Set it back to 5 before or whatever the mark next to tdc is and life is good.
If it is 5 after that is probably to meet emissions and 5 before might work better? |
GotaT,
You asked if leaning out the idle fuel mixture screws would help your mileage on your trip from Laf to Houston. Remember with Webers the engine runs on the secondary venturi at rpm's above 2500/3000 rpm's. Any adjustment of the idle mixture will not affect your mileage at hiway speeds. For better mileage at hiway speeds you'll want a smaller venturi and corresponding smaller main jets. You want better mileage around town? Smaller venturi and smaller idle jets; then retune. The Webers get fuel from the idle passageways to the idle and transition jets at rpm's below 2500/3000 rpm's. You end up trading better mileage for less performance. |
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