Sgoldberg- I havent seen one cheap, but would you consider mabye upgrading to a 3.6 V-Ram motor from a 993 if a whole rebuild is warrented? I know it would be money, but I had the same kind of car you have with the 3.8 and was not very impressed- I believe that you could get more out of just swapping a 3.6 v-ram in there. Now some of the benefits include, better heads, cams, hot wire mass air, variable intake plenum, hydro rockers(no more valve adjustment), etc...
If I could do it all over again with an n/a motor I would have gone this route.
Or you could go get a 930 motor and swap it in...

930GT-40r - Interesting points - the more people you speak with the conflicting opinions you get. i was told by a few folks that the Hydo valves are not better. So i could have purchased a 993 engine non v-ram, But I didn't because of the issues with hydro valves and rockers.

Hopefully this car will run good and i'll be back on the road ASAP. Any experience with leak down tests on a cold engine that has been store for 8 -10 months? Do the leak downs get better or worse with a warm engine that has not been still for a long time?

Well I have been down your road before, and from experience I would go with a 993 v-ram before I went with a 3.8 conversion. As for the hydralic lifters, I have never seen a 993 with rocker issues in the 10 years Ive worked with them nor the 3 years at porsche of Fairfield. I think rocker issues that your hearing of is somthing more to the tune of a 5-2nd downshift or neglect. I wouldnt steer you wrong, the 993 is a better motor- Did I mention that I seen a 993 with 245,000 miles on the orig. motor? This thing never even threw a secondary air code (somthing you wouldnt have to worry about because your car is OBD1) which is the only real problem with those motors. Pm me if you want any more info, I could go on forever about this.

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SHE runs again...I paid a little over 5400.00 to have a 40,000 mile 1993 RSA motor installed into my 1989 C4. Is that expensive ? Am I crazy to feel I over paid for a service? That price doesn't included the motor. That is just for installation NOT THE MOTOR!

5225.00 for the 1993 RSA 40,000 miles
5470 for installation of a motor.

Is that excessive?
I feel the motor is a good valve she runs strong!

I screem like school girl!!
that sux.
But thats awsome that you got your baby back

Yeah I happy to have the car back she runs great ...But I'm more that a little upset. Just because you can afford cuban cigars doesn't mean you should be charged for Cuban cigars when you are buying regular cigarettes. I knew I had to pay otherwise my car would be held hostage!

I guess you live and you learn. The kicker is that guy tells me he could have charged me anothe r10 hours of labor...LOL

Tell him to kiss my @$$, not yours but mine.
That was a 1,500-2,000 job to a good repeat customer even after the cam switch and what have you. If it was a direct bolt in with no crap, I would charge $1,000 to someone who I didnt know.

I agree the motor was a "direct bolt in" if you build race engines this should be a simple job not a 70 or 80 hour job. But I guess some folks would rather rob you today ...ONCE - instead of have you business for 10 or 20 years. Makes no sense. I would understand if 5 out 10 people would say this is a big job! Not one of the poeple I asked said this was a Major overhaul . Most people think that price should have included a complete rebuild! you would think Dr Porsche himself did this job...WOW. Can't get over it! Now the guy is trying to talk me into a turbo system that job could cost me my house and left kidney and the system would be used at best! sorry for my rant!

I feel like i went thorugh my own personal ENRON scandle!

The old man would be spinning in his grave at the same RPM that your rs motor redlines at if he knew what was happening.

That was a D-bag move for your guy to do- He made you grab your ankles in a time of need.

You should also post the fact the the engine supplied from you was from an RS engine that does not have the provision for power steering as your C-4 engine does and needs. That we had to switch the cams over as well as the intake, adjust the valvesand swap the cruise control unit, the labor charge also included diagnosis of the first engine with performing leak down tests on both your engines, and reassembling the original engine after the cam swap, remounting it on the supplied pallete and loading it on a truck. We got paid for total time spent and every thing was discussed with you during multiple before and during the job.

You seemed thrilled when you picked up the car.

Next time make sure you get the whole story out.










Bill Rudtner

before I'm done here don't forget the incompatible wiring harness that also had to be changed to make the C-4 trans work properly and all the rusted bolts and rotten engine tin that took time to be heated and or cut on your very abused C-4. I'm sure the local corner service station could have done the job just as well and for a lot less.

FACT- I AM THRILLED THE CAR IS RUNNING just the same as I'd be thrilled if I owned the NY Yankees, but that doesn't mean I would want to pay 8 billion dollars to own the Yankees! - I’m not saying the job was done incompetently. Conversely, I believe the job is excellent. I just feel like 5400 is a bit excessive to swap an engine. If you consider the engine cost $5225 and the engine swap $5400. I could have rebuilt the engine for that combine cost! Of course your rebuild would have cost me closer to 15k. I went into this job with the false expectations of $1520 – $2280 labor.

Again, I am not saying the job was bad the engine runs great. I feel a paid above premium to swap an engine! Now we can argue the points of “well the engine needed a lot of work to swap” or “maybe you didn’t fully understand the amount of work to swap two similar engines” thusly setting my expectations low.

Before decided to go with you I called every Porsche shop on long island the average price was 1100 to swap an engine. You are more that 5x the amount. I went with you because you’re the best. I am not saying I wouldn’t use your services again I just saying before I did I would want a full exact estimate before I started work. At times it seemed as if I was asking for winning lotto numbers when I asked for a for a price to do work.

Not sure what is right, but I know 5400 is ridiculous considering you’re an expert in building Porsche motors and this should be a basic job. The Porsche dealer in Freeport judges the engine swap at 13 hours labor with cam changes. Wire harness change is 1 ½ hours labor. SO in your opinion the Porsche dealer down the block from you is a local corner garage?

14 ½ hour labor at 126.00 per hour is 1827.00 added another 1000 for issues and unforeseen items 2827.00.


Not sure why your outraed I'm the one that raped!

I'll give you a call later today we can discuss...I have your cell number

I apoligize for my statements GTU- I am not going to comment on this any longer.

I have been running this motor for the past few days SHE RUNS GREAT! No knocks shakes or pings....No smoke or oil leaks she runs perfectly!